Hand Out VS. a Hand Up
by HMJC
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/06/silicon-valley-exec-on-cash-handouts-eliminate-poverty-for-americans.html

I find it quite ironic that the overtly wealthy recommendation for “Distribution of Wealth” is not backed up by a commitment to fund part of it… Secondly, money for nothing is just that, money for nothing and is indicative of the current generations sense of entitlement mentality. Frankly it seems to me that money for nothing already exists; Welfare, Medicaid, and the plethora of other Socialistic programs already in place.

Unemployment benefits are also part of this dynamic however; the stipulation for unemployment is you first have to be employed for six months consecutively to be eligible with the caveat that if you are terminated or quit the employer does not have to pay.

Right now the current public assistance programs in most cases is already more lucrative than working a minimum wage job. This in turn has created apathy with people opting to remain on public assistance which by the way is funded by John “Q” taxpayer. Adding a “Basic Income is only going to exacerbate the unwillingness to work and a further drain our countries diminished resources.

Poverty is a scourge but the severity in the US is skewed. Third world and modern economies worldwide know what real poverty is. Pakistan has “Ship Breakers” that work for ~2 dollars a day; countless other economies suffer the same bleak reality.
There is work out there regardless of where you reside in the United States. Granted in a lot of cases we may have to work a couple of jobs to make it work but it takes individual effort and a willingness to do so.

I would like to see something more akin to the “New Deal” that was passed during the Roosevelt Presidency which in turn was the segway the began the countries emergence out of the Great Depression. Our nation’s infrastructure and National Parks are eroding at an alarming rate. I would rather see some type of return on investment while also providing a sense of worth to those in need and completing much needed improvements to the afore mentioned.

Social programs were always meant to be a temporary relief as you sought gainful employment. Wealth distribution will further widen the income gap and result in even less participants in the full time work force.


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wayne44 commented on Friday, Sep 08, 2017 at 05:01 AM

It really comes down to paying folks more in benefits than they earn by working. A sense of why should I work when I can sit at home and be paid to not work results in a lack of motivation to do any better. However, if you complain about the situation, you are accused of hating the poor. Who are the poor in this country? Those who make just enough to not qualify for any type of assistance or those who live in subsidized housing, have money placed on an EBT card, get food stamps, and a free phone. The system is basically slanted towards those who make no effort to better themselves and see no problem in living off those who work. I suspect that if you asked them where the money comes from to support the programs, they will tell you the governemnt. It never occurs to those who back the system that paying people to not work fuels a sense of resentment among those who get up everyday and go to work. If you take my tax dollars to help the elderly and those who are truly memtally or physically unable to work, then you won't hear any complaints from me. However, don't except me to like supporting those who think they are entitled to a free ride.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Sep 08, 2017 at 06:43 AM

wayne44 your thinking dovetails with mine always. I guess it is because we are the same age and we came from similar backgrounds.

However I am not a veteran nor have I ever held a government job. At a young age I choose to work only in the private sector. I have failed in several business ventures but I have learned thru my failures.

I resent those "disabled" who draw social security disability payments or those veterans who have faked their ailments and I know there are plenty of able bodied men and women receiving these checks and payments monthly.

Most of all I resent those slackers who visit lawyers and allege fake back ailments and such in order to get on the welfare plantation.

I remember when men and women both black and white were too proud to accept welfare. This is no longer true.

I have had friends brag to me about how they faked their PTSD or back ailment.

These folks I reference are the real problem in this country.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Sep 13, 2017 at 09:02 AM

ToT,

Wrong again about Veterans... Granted there will always be a percentage faking the funk however they still served which is less than 1% of this country is willing to do... Couple this with the substantial percentage to those not willing to work because of a flawed system you will find and drastic difference. I have heard time and time again the whining from entities concerning the retirement and in SOME case a VA disability. You will also find that if their service connected disabilities could be reversed we would gladly forego the VA monies; My leg cant grow back so I guess I will have to get the percentage of 40% and not worry about the uniformed...

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Sep 13, 2017 at 16:58 PM

HMJC I certainly do not resent any who has lost arm or leg. I do resent those who come home unhurt and years later fall on hard times due to poor choices (usually drug related) and later go to the VA and pretend to be troubled because they can't sleep and so forth.

I personally know four who brag about how they faked it.

I also know several who have faked back injuries and hired snaky lawyers to help them get Social Security Disability payments.

I have overheard conversations in the coffee shops of them coaching each other as to how to outwit those at the VA.

I am not wrong about some veterans. I also know that there are many vets who deserve every thing they can get.

HMJC commented on Thursday, Sep 14, 2017 at 15:32 PM

You are wrong about most of the Veterans; I have a bird's eye view every day. Society has always had about 3% that are just no good any way you slice it including the military. It almost seems like there are some sour grapes here; let it be brother, the majority of us do the right thing and that is what I focus on.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Sep 14, 2017 at 15:50 PM

You are right there are some sour grapes here and I know that by and large the vast majority of veterans do the right thing.

However I also know that beginning with the Vietnam vets there has been increasing numbers of those who attempt to"game the system".

I also know that to be true of our society on many fronts.

I'll try to let it be for the sake of harmony on our blog site.

HMJC commented on Friday, Sep 15, 2017 at 09:41 AM

Tot<

now I am going to light you up a little...Vietnam Veterans deserve every penny they get. Out of all of the conflicts following Vietnam; none has been as horre=dous battle field memories than any Veteran in the "modern day. Just because someone may look like they may be "ok" doesn't mean that is the case. There are the hidden scars from combat that affect all of us at times.

We have all seen the statistics of 22 Veterans committing suicide; the startling statistic is that over 60% Vietnam Vets who never quite left the war zone they were in are the highest occurrence of Veteran suicide. I will reiterate that you only see what is right in front of you and to an extent, I get that however; due to no fault of your own, your observations are skewed because you have never served. Thats ok but never claim to truly understand the modern plight Veterans face every day. The bottom line is you haven't walked a mile in our boots; you just don't know.

I do appreciate your activity on our site but once again, I urge you to stay on topics you are knowledgeable. I know no offense is meant but sometimes your meanderings about Veterans is offensive to some of us; please keep that in mind.

timeontarget commented on Saturday, Sep 16, 2017 at 12:10 PM

No you are not going to light me up.

In many past comments I have made my position very clear.

I have always held "draft era" military in very high esteem.

Not so with the all volunteer army.

As I said a couple of days ago:

"I'll try to let it be for the sake of harmony on our blog site."


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