Is this due to good leadership or in spite of poor leadership?
I don't think the economic markets are affected as much by politics as many Americans believe they are.
I am afraid that is a very naïve assumption on your part. It is equivalent to 'damned if you do, damned if you don't.'
No, Jimmy - Shannalat is correct. We haven't had any real leadership in the White House since January of 2009. If HRC had succeeded Dubya, I have no doubt that our disengagement from foreign wars and our focus on the economy and jobs would have been professionally handled and her LEADERSHIP would have resulted in significant economic improvements by 2011. It has taken this economy five years to meander its way to where we are today - NO THANKS TO OBAMA and Geithner.
Obama has been much more "business friendly" than his far-left partisans would have ever imagined, which has significantly helped the economy by allowing big business to make progress on its own. But Obama's actions are more driven by his desire to maintain the cash flow from business into the coffers of the Democratic Party than by any real desire to place the economic health of this country on the front burner.
Obama's leadership has been non-existent. Leading from behind is not leadership. Telling your opponents "f-you" is not leadership. Dismantling the health care system of this country to help less than 15% of its citizens while screwing the rest is not leadership.
See when you look at the big numbers for the nations economic well being it is evident that the politics of the nation in the fringe (which is were our nation has been operating since after wwII in politics to do very little to influence the economy)
very good ted talk debate on this subject...
Jimmy, you are a smart and intelligent person so it be-fuddles me to see you make something up like this. 1st of all it was the housing and bank financial crisis that imploded the economy not the wars. Democrats in congress blocked Republicans led by GWB to fix the toxic GSE’s that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were turning over to private banks. This was the virus that imploded the economy not the Wars. The Wars added debt that needs to be paid for but it didn’t create the financial crisis. BTW, GWB didn’t go it alone either he had over 75% supports from congress which included yes votes from a lot of your favorite Democrats “Hillary.” After being elected and proclaiming there are no Red states or Blue states just the United States of America in addition to proclaiming he would reach across party lines and transparency he decided to say f_ck you to the Republicans in a nice way and didn’t work with their ideas with the 1T dollar stimulus that didn’t work and added more-unnecessary debt in addition to Obamacare. HR 3400 was presented by Tom Price a Doctor from Ga. and a house Representative was sent to committee by Nancy Pelosi and never went to the floor for a vote. Even when the tax cuts for the rich was passed and signed by GWB it garnered bi-partisan support. Now I have question for you. If I was working with you on a bill, would you expect me to be civil and nice when you cut down almost every idea I present to you? Obama isn’t a leader, he’s a celebrity in charge of the country and the reason the country is worse is because of his lack of leadership abilities. History will eventually decide and I can’t imagine it will be good.
In times of crisis many of our Leaders over the years have polarized the American people and united us. These leaders gave us hope and vowed that all Americans stand as one. They did not attempt to make us feel at blame for the situation nor did they show signs of faltering from the get-go.
I can not think of one time where Nobama has spoken that I felt that together we will stand side my side, shoulder to shoulder; as one.
Much ado is made about how the country does not respect him; ironically he has more support at home as on a would stage he is a sad joke at best. His words carry no meaning because of the consistent lack of acting when it counted or acting when he should not have. Please do not allude to the ACA being a leadership caveat as make no mistake, it was all about "his" signature legislation and doing whatever it took to make it pass. Ironically if he would have acted with the same resolve on many other circumstances we would be in a whole lot worse shape.
History will not be kind to Nobama but fear not; history will also make excuses for his failed presidency.
Hands down, worst president since Carter.
No Worries Funk. I too am astounded by the comments of some of the bloggers on this site and the veracity of the graphs and polls they point at 'proving' Obama's incompetence. Did you access the link and read it?
I referenced MARKET WATCH. A National Financial Accounting entity whose track record is proven. Don't shoot the messenger buddy. I didn't "make these numbers up." I quoted the SOURCE from which they came. Believe them or not. That is your and everybody else's job here. Rant, pontificate, preach then decide who is right. Or I should say who is MORE right than who is MORE wrong?
There's a smidgen of truth ion both sides. Sometimes more on one side than the other. That is, among other things, why I am a Democrat.
Thanks Bro', but I am stickin with my team.
Here are MARKET WATCH'S credentials.
SHAN:"See when you look at the big numbers for the nations economic well being it is evident that the politics of the nation in the fringe (which is were our nation has been operating since after wwII in politics to do very little to influence the economy)
very good ted talk debate on this subject..."
SHAN: Just trying to decipher your gibberish compels one to become prolific in interpreting hieroglyphics.
Would you at least attempt to make a better effort at attaining clarity if you are going to hang around here?
I suggest you take a few classes in English at night. I am assuming you have a job. And yes, being a MOM is a full time job.
Also, your link would not even come up!!! It doesn't work. Just like your grammar.
@Funk: The Police Force in Ferguson has 50 officers. 3 are Black. 54% of Ferguson is BLACK. That my friend is called INSTITUTIONAL RACISM. The same as exists in the NBA, the NFL, MLB and in Corporate America.
The struggle is not over, my friend. The Devil will quote the scriptures to you, as will the Conservatives. Come back to your people, come back to the cause, Funk.
@Jimmy thanks for your honest feedback ; however I didn't address my grievances properly. I'm referring to how you un-justifiably and without in facts to support your claim that GWB destroyed the economy. One thing is true he was in charge and he didn't whine and moan and took the shellacking from you and the un-informed while he knew Democrat congressman stabbed him in the back by not joining him to reign in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Obama blames everyone that's a Republican except himself for his failed policies and failed votes as a US Senator. He was the top I Democrat to receive donations for his campaign from Fannie and Freddie and voted for Tarp too. I see you are intent on not letting the facts sway you and that's unfortunate for America in General don't forget most blacks are born and raised as a Democrat. I haven't forsaken black people and I'm gonna tell like I told a fellow blogger in a private conversation. I'm not supporting anyone that are doing wrong by rule of law and black people don't get no pass from me. Additionally I haven't forsaken black people and I won't join anybody doing wrong.
OK Funk. I give up. George W. Bush was a financial genius who MADE America the richest most prosperous nation in the history of the World.
@Jimmy Mack let's see. Economics is the processes that govern the production, distribution and consumption of goods and services in an exchange economy.
So that being said politics (of course not including draconian totalitarian politics of Nort Korea, Cuba Russia and to a certain extent China) have very little impact of an economy.
Unless a leader of a nation stops production and or trade of certain goods and or services from or to his or her country through there politics there effect on the nations economy will be minimal(good or bad effects)
That statement is more coherent right?
I had assumed this was all understood however my assumption was incorrect.
be careful when you assume right?
ha nope I am not a big fan of the current higher education system. Just a system generating more sheep
I do not think a college education is necessarily an act of learning
One of the great mind destroyers of college education is the belief that if it's very complex, it's very profound.
The current college education system in the United States has become very good at producing sheep. Minds that are adrift when it comes to the big questions: how to think critically and creatively, and how to find a sense of purpose.
You left out education providing humans that seek it, attainting PERSPECTIVE.
Well, it has now become clear. You and Tot (high school dropout) have IDENTICAL DNA. A truly RARE occurrence in the human species.
I wonder who's destroyed mind discovered DNA and it's importance to issues relating to mankind?
DNA was discovered by Friedrich Miescher. He was a college graduate but I do not want to go into the details of the success of men and women who have dropped out of high school and or college.
The list is long and impressive. My point is simple. The fact that someone is involved in the educational oligarchy does not mean they are smart. As a matter of fact, Poland is a prime example of a failure of academia. A good education does not come from college it comes from a good student.
By the way are you reading this blog using Microsoft software or Apple software? Either way you are using a product designed by a company that was founded and ran by college drop outs.
Wild right? Men that you would write off and lack perspective made it possible for you to bad mouth them. Is that irony? Maybe I would know had I went to college...
Well Shan...stupid is, what stupid does I guess. So much for learning how to eradicate polio and smallpox. We can also throw out figuring out how to put humans on the moon and get them back safely. I'll just forget about the theory of E=mc squared. What a waste of time, huh? We coulda done all that in a highschool drop out think tank. I am positively sure of it. As must be you.
Child prodigies and geniuses are few and far between and have been known to burn out in adulthood.
But feel free to continue pursuing your theory of stupid is as stupid does.
You are good at it!
So if I am to understand correctly you believe that, a college education makes someone smart? I just don't think you are right on this one. I think always learning makes one smart. Funny you should mention polio in that it has not been globally eradicated yet however a college dropout is working on that right now.
@Jimmy that was funny; your comment on 8/20 at 08:53. As history records will confirm. GWB inherited a surplus in the annual budget of over 200B from Clinton and over 5T in national debt. He also inherited a recession and 9/11. After recovering through this his leadership culminated in 52 straight months of economic prosperity with the un-employment rate continuously stabilized around 5.2%(Full employment) during this time period. The Great Recession hit us in 12/07 and the banking and housing crisis in 9/08. GWB warned congress over 34 times, 17 times in 07 and 08 when Nancy was Speaker of the House.
Jimmy the information is out there, here are some measures GWB addresses and the Democrats pushed back and rejected in the dark of the night.
@Funk. OK, I read it. But when I read anything relating to politics, the economy, race, polls, etc. I also consider the SOURCE from which the info emanates.
In an effort at attempting fairness, I will say you have made some valid, IMHO, points of fact. However, noting the source, The Hispanic Conservative,
I detect some semblance of Conservative colored influence in the article.
Some truth is there in your source. But that truth is NOT absolute. I just take note of the ENTIRE validity of the information.
That is my perspective.(reference Shan regarding the importance of perspective.)
BTW: I am approaching a point of where we might just can have a sit down, sans political commentary ,while digesting some victuals.
Difficult, (for me) to do the two things at the same time.
Ok Jimmy, fair enough. Here's a C-Span video from 2004 that I've posted several times to show the Democrats led by Maxine Waters blocking regulations on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Nancy Pelosi the (Speaker of the House) on September 29, 2008 selling that Progressive snake oil. "As PN would say"
Yep, there are many brands and flavors of Snake Oil. We all make our choices on our favorites from which to imbibe.
We Liberals usually take the red kool aid, as you know. Conservatives, usually open a vein and drink the ice water that flows out.
Jimmy, Pelosi flat out lies here by accusing GWB of no oversight and no regulations; however you can clearly see here that it's not the truth. Can you at least understand and see why I follow rule of law and right over wrong now instead of a designated political affiliation. It's more like the Common Sense Party, my blogging friend!
@Funk: I think that you are a RARE, fair minded human with much intellectual intensity regarding following rule of law and right over wrong instead of a designated political affiliation. But while respecting your political idealism, in reality, there does not exist a Common Sense Party.
I wish there was one. But one does not exist in the Political world.
I admire your idealism but we live in a Two Party Country. You gotta pick one when you enter the booth to have a shot at 'winning' any office that will provide a podium for the 'winner' to effect his policies. Hopefully some of those policies are Common Sense ones.
But that is RARE.
Jimmy, I agree with you. This is why I prefer someone that hasn't spent a career in politics to be President of the USA. That is why I supported Herman Cain and I think Ben Carson would be an outstanding president for all people which was expected of Obama. I have memorabilia from his inauguration hoping that he would reach across part line, cut the deficit , have legislation on C-Span and work with the republicans and triangulate the best ideas of each party like Bill Clinton did.
@Shan: "So if I am to understand correctly you believe that, a college education makes someone smart? I just don't think you are right on this one. I think always learning makes one smart. Funny you should mention polio in that it has not been globally eradicated yet however a college dropout is working on that right now."
Nope. Not me on this one. I have never as I can reckon, said that "college makes one smart." Never said that. In fact I know of several to many individuals that are 'educated' way beyond their intelligence. One can learn in many ways. Reading, research, attention to detail, human interactions, observances of behavior, 'street smarts', Old School experiences (done for you Tot), epiphany, revelation, etc. In fact I am on record here on these pages stating that I do NOT consider myself a 'smart' individual. Colleges Degrees, however obtained, are not indicative of one's "smartness."
Insight into knowledge comes from various pathways.
I will say, however one wishes to look at it, that I would prefer an MD. that he or she's knowledge came from a residential venue of higher learning, rather than say...a TWA...third world assassin who obtained their grasp of Medical Science, from say for example, one of the many diploma factories, when cutting into my body.
You can denigrate it all you like here Shan, but institutionalized 'learning', such as a degree from Harvard trumps, a degree or piece of sheepskin, from say Nova or St. Leo, or any of the other - lowest standards necessary, to be deemed educated. Or in this case... in your vernacular...SMARTER.