@gacpl: I began reading your blog and thinking 'gacpl' doesn't write like this. Then I scrolled down and see that you noted the blog link. Good move. You posted the words then the link where they could be found.
Anyway, I believe I am right when stating that you are a strong pro-law and order kinda guy. Evidenced by you previous blogs. That is fine. I also believe civil disobedience is sometimes necessary to call attention to an injustice.
So....I'm gonna sit and wait to see what the FBI finds out on this one. I understand that they have been called in look into how all this transpired.
Jump ball for me til the Feds get done.
no matter what the FBI finds out, it doesn't make them running wild like a bunch of feral animals right. like we have seen so many times before with things like this, we don't know the whole truth and might not ever find it out.
civil disobedience should never be acceptable or necessary. Even when civil disobedience is "necessary" it should still be punished.
Punishing civil disobedience will be a way of making sure that it is necessary and done with respect to everyone and their property.
Regardless; looting, robbing, and setting the place on fire is not civil disobedience. It is a crime and makes those all involved seem ignorant and just as much a part of the problem.
What if a black policemen shot a white person in the same context? Is the situation any less abhorrent? Any less of a tragedy for the Family involved? No but as long as we try to make any negative circumstance involving the black community a "black thing"; the true nature of the instance will continue to get lost in emotion and conjecture.
yeah see the thing is and it pains me to type this but I will. Crimes have to be avoided.
When I was a teenager I walked home from school. I did so in the middle of the street and the police would drive up and tell us to get on he sidewalk. This happened daily. One afternoon we all got on the the sidewalk. The police car was at the stop sign. Three of us hoods went in the street and danced around. Not me I was more afraid of my old man than the cops and he taught me to respect authority. The car flipped the u turn and lights on came back. The three clowns got a free ride to the police station and parents were called. I cant help but wonder if those guys were to have reacted in some other way what would have happened.
@shan:"civil disobedience should never be acceptable or necessary. Even when civil disobedience is "necessary" it should still be punished.
Punishing civil disobedience will be a way of making sure that it is necessary and done with respect to everyone and their property."
I gotta tell ya Shan that you are rapidly becoming the embodiment of a conundrum.
The ETIRE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT LED BY MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS BUILT INTOTO THRU NON VIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE!
There is NO advocation for violence in anything I have stated here. Civil disobedience helped end segregation. Civil disobedience helped end the Vietnam War. Marching without a permit for a cause is an example of civil disobedience. Have you ever read "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" by Dr. Martin Luther King advocating the overthrow of racial injustice via massive non violent civil disobedience???
To trash LEGITIMATE civil disobedience as you have done here in your post August 12 2014 14:10 indicates someone is an ignorant buffoon who has access to a PC. On top of that, your sentence structure, grammar, and ineffectively pitiful syntax does nothing to lend credibility to ANYTHING you have to say on these pages.
@Shan: You attempt to express yourself here as someone who gadgeyated from a Correspondence School of Higher Learning, marginally made it thru some sort of educationally defective Community College or as somebody who lucked out by finding a drop-out take your GED test in your name. Or you bought one of them fake diplomas to hang on your wall in order to afford reference when acquaintances or friends make references as to where you garnered all of your demonstrably defective educational expertise and knowledge.
Looks like you...passed!!! One should be proud of their Alma Mater...no matter what gutter it sprang from.
Gacpi I want to thank you for making the black community aware of all its problems. We appreciate it. We also appreciate you telling us that we are running around like "feral animals." The incident in Missouri is a sad situation for everyone. People should not be looting and tearing down their own community however they do have the right to protest peacefully and MANY have done just that. No we don't know all the facts of this case but to act like this situation doesn't happen is utterly ridiculous. Gacpi the day you have to wake up and give your children or grandchildren (specifically your boys) a special set of instructions for dealing with law enforcement or people in authority is the day you get to speak on the plight of the black community. Because last time I checked white men were leaving their children fatherless as well. There are more white people on welfare than black people. So please go sit down somewhere. And if you are so concerned with our community and your bountiful statistics what are you doing to give back? And I don't mean monetarily. Wait maybe we don't need someone making black and brown children feel any less hopeful or inferior as you did in your blog, but I digress.
The ETIRE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT LED BY MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS BUILT INTOTO THRU NON VIOLENT CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE!
and it was the punishment of the men and woman that shed light on the abhorrent and broken system in the United States.
I am impressed by these men and women. They knew they would face punishment and the still did the right thing.
I have not read the letter by Martin Luther King I will though, (love to read).
As far as grammar goes I have always been a fan and usually emulated the great ee cummings
I never meant to express myself based on man made accolades, like graduation, merely through my experiences as a child with authority. I don't see any scenario growing up where I would have not listened to the police when they told me to get out of the street.
@ Jimmy Mack I just finished reading the letter. It is an amazing letter. Martin Luther King Jr. was an American hero!
"Sometimes a law is just on its face and unjust in its application. For instance, I have been arrested on a charge of parading without a permit. Now, there is nothing wrong in having an ordinance which requires a permit for a parade. But such an ordinance becomes unjust when it is used to maintain segregation and to deny citizens the First-Amendment privilege of peaceful assembly and protest.
I hope you are able to see the distinction I am trying to point out. In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy. One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty."
I think that, like I mentioned earlier. The arrest of men and women who violate laws that are unjust or unjustly applied is, unfortunately, necessary to open the eyes of the nation.
the day you have to wake up and give your children or grandchildren (specifically your boys) a special set of instructions for dealing with law enforcement or people in authority is the day you get to speak on the plight of the black community.
This statement bugs me because every father mother or grandfather should teach their children to respect authority.
Is there any reason this situation should not be labeled just a tragedy? Why does it most always seem to be a "Black Thing" if a negative circumstance occurs with "other than black" ethnicities? I get the frustration over the death of a young man regardless of ethnicity but what ensued was ridiculous.
The sound bite now is that the people reacted by looting, rioting, robbing, and burning because they felt they had no way to express themselves. What....Really.... Come on...
As for statistics, it is fine and dandy to quote statistics regarding the plight of black Americans. Apparently when there are some contrasting statistics that seem unfavorable to the cause. we are racist.
It goes both ways; statistics that denote demographic inequities has its place. Statistics that identify negative behaviors that contribute to some of the "injustices" also has it place.
For as much blame that is placed on society for demographic woes; there is an equal to disproportionate amount of discourse it does to itself. At what point does a community begin to address its current issues from within? At what point do we say that "we" need to start becoming more of the solution.
@Shannlet the statement bugs you because you don't understand what's she's saying. We have to talk to our children about taking EXTRA measures to protect themselves against the very people that should protect them.
Shannalat- She never said it was extra to respect authority. You came to that conclusion. on your own. I explained earlier what that statement meant. This is what was said -"Gacpi the day you have to wake up and give your children or grandchildren (specifically your boys) a special set of instructions for dealing with law enforcement or people in authority is the day you get to speak on the plight of the black community.
So, where in the post did you find that statement-teach my kids how to respect authority?
I believe EXTRA measures are called for if you lend any smidgen of validity to words like: "racial profiling," "DWB" (Driving While Black), and the words and tone in how you answer a policeman's questions.
prior to the successful civil rights movement in this country, there was a time when the color of a man or womans skin kept them from doing things and worse. However, because of the success of this program now with, respect many situations could have been avoided.
I just finished reading an article about a Washington post reporter who was arrested in Ferguson MO. There were two reporters, one worked for the Washington post and the other for the Huffington Post.
In his article the reporter says that his associate is asked to give his id and he asks why?
"Initially, both Ryan Reilly of the Huffington Post and I were asked for identification. I was wearing my lanyard, but Ryan asked why he had to show his ID."
See instead of simply showing ID and complying with the officer the reporter acted in defiance questioning the officer.
The reporter was correct, he did not need to show his id but see being correct does not give us the right to be jerks. Or at least it shouldn't.
I feel like I took a turn here. My point is this reporter not showing his id was not means for an arrest but his not showing id probably exacerbated the already volatile situation.
@Janays87, if you believe in a free society , then I could imagine you believe that it doesn't take just or only a black person to see problems within our community. The biggest problem in our community from my personal experiences is that we don't acknowledge and address these problems that are true and have been addressed in this blog. Here's an example; you have made up your own facts about more white folk on welfare than black folk. You just took a number and ran with it without doing the necessary research. What you fail to acknowledge is that only 5.13% of whites are on welfare compared to 28.75% of blacks because there are 29M on welfare 11,661,000M whites 39% and 11,332,000M 38%. Whites make up 72.4% of the population and blacks make up
12.6% of the population. So there are actually more blacks on welfare than
whites. 227M whites out of 11.7M welfare recipients equals 1 out of 1.31 whites while 39.5M blacks out of 11.3M recipients equals 1 out of 3.47 blacks on welfare. Also don't compare apples to oranges in regards to divorce and babies daddy'. It is totally different and you haven't presented any facts in regards to whether or not the father is or isn't a vital part of their children's lives; however as a black man and I know you see it as well, there are too many black fathers
having recreational sex resulting in babies that they don't take the necessary responsibilities for (Babies Daddy's )!!!!!!!
28.75% blacks on welfare compared to 5.13% whites on welfare. These are the "Facts of Our Lives"