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In his entry to presidential politics senator Obama made it clear America should be out of Iraq. "I would not slow my plan of withdrawal if it would stop a genocide."
Fast forward seven years and the world has changed greatly!

Limited Military action has begun again in Iraq. I agree with this military action. loosing Iraq to the extremists would be dangerous to the US and the world.

But I think the president has to admit that his original view was, like many democrats ideals and views, short sighted and naive.

I wonder if the Iraq war and the pull out or reduction of forces were handled better would this have been avoidable.

There were warnings about the reduction in Iraq but the warnings did not seem to be heeded, by the one office that could have made the difference. As commander in chief of the largest Navy in the world you should really do a better job of shaping the world, and make no mistake every military operation the United States is involved in shapes the world we live in.

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HMJC commented on Tuesday, Aug 12, 2014 at 14:59 PM

The situation just highlights his complete lack of the military complex and leadership commiserate in these types of circumstances.

shannalat commented on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:31 AM

This is true but he is not alone in this crowd. It can be argued that Ronald Reagan demonstrated in Afghanistan the same lack of military complex and leadership.
That is only one example. Another would be Nixons ending of the Vietnam war.
rarely have wars ended well but they have. Good leadership learns how to win and end wars well and despite political pressures executes.
Bad leadership does not and it seems their is bad leadership is present in both political parties throughout history.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:06 PM

An old adage is that "There never was a good war or a bad peace." Wars have been "won" in the past because it was possible to force total capitulation from an enemy. What we fought in Viet Nam and Afghanistan were not true "wars," as their primary goals were to suppress insurgent "invaders" and not to actually "conquer" and topple foreign governments. Iraq was framed one part war of liberation; one part "regime change"; and one part prevention of a terrorist organization who had already attacked our homeland from establishing operational and training bases in Iraq from which to launch terror strikes against us and our allies. This was also not a true "war" as it was defined down through history.

In past wars, our national interests were clear, as was the enemy, so that our civilian population was united against what was an obvious common foe Not so since WWII - especially not in Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq.

shannalat commented on Wednesday, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM

hmm not sure if I agree that they were not true wars but wouldn't you agree that part of WWII was to suppress invaders and usher a regime change to Germany?

sebekm commented on Tuesday, Aug 19, 2014 at 13:34 PM

I define "true wars" as those which are formally declared pursuant to the laws of the United States. The last one of those was WWII. The others have been "military engagements' and "undeclared wars." Bullets are still flying but the point is the RESOLVE of this country has been strongest for engagement in the "formally declared wars."

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declarat...

IMHO, WWII was fought in response to Hitler and the Axis Powers' demonstrated will to dominate and conquer the world for reasons of megalomania and racial purity. The "free nations" of the world had to band together and fight the Axis otherwise they would have been picked off one-by-one and added to Hitler's empire. Pretty much every citizen of every country could see this - whether they admitted it or not - which made it much easier to constitute national resolve to engage in a formally declared war.

This clarity has not been evident to all in the U.S. military engagements that have followed - from Korea to Afghanistan. That was my point.

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