@HMJC-Yes, really. People need to know history and educate themselves about past and current events that shaped society. IF you have a problem with the article you should discuss that with NPR since they wrote the story. They obviously thought it was important and so do I. My grandchildren want buy from an Ice Cream truck that plays the tune. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
If you read the whole article the song originally was Turkey In The Straw which came from an old Irish ballad. So, now I should not let my children get ice cream from the ice cream truck because the ice cream man is a "racist" if he/she is playing that song? Really? Come on. The ice cream man/woman probably has no idea of the "negative" connotations that you are bringing up about this song. To most of us the song is call Turkey In the Straw, which, is the ORIGINAL name of the song when it came to America. Some dumb butt decided that they would make up racist words to it. If you look really hard, there are probably a lot more out there. Anyone can make up words and put it to a song that is popular that may be racist. To me, if you are going to explain to your grandchildren why they cannot go to the ice cream truck because of that song, you are setting a prejudice for them. Isn't that what are trying to get away from? There are really a lot more issues to worry about rather than whether or not to let your children or grandchildren run to the ice cream truck if they are playing "Turkey in the straw". Just my opinion of course.
@Georgeann7 thanks for your comment.
This is culture conditioning at its finest. I wasn't aware of the history of the song before NPR ran the story but now I know and I want allow my grand-kids to run behind a truck that plays the song. Yes, I teach my grand-kids about racism and hate-good and bad-love and kindness. I don't want them to grow up hating anyone but they need to be aware of their history and the world around them. When you know better-You do better.
Also, how may people of color still raise their finger when they go to the bathroom at church? They have no idea about the history behind raising your finger to exit the sanctuary. The reason they raised their finger-let the slave master know they were going to the restroom.
@Georgeann7- I re-read your blog. You are trying to minimize the ugliness of the song by calling it "Turkey in the Straw"-the clean version. It's obvious that the world is in the state it's in because people don't want to address racism head on and choose to minimize it. When you know better you do better.
when teaching them history, make sure you teach them that no liberal democrat as tried to make things better for minorities, they only to voted to give them stuff to get their vote, not to move them up in the world. also that republicans fought to give minorities equal rights. democrats fought it tooth and nail.
PoliticsNation-I am not trying to minimize the ugliness of the song, I am merely trying to point out that if you go looking for racism or prejudice you can always find it somewhere. I myself teach my children about racism and prejudice (because there is a difference) and the history of our whole nation, not just one race. Maybe I'm just an optimist, but I really think there are bigger fish to fry. There are some of us that don't see everything in black and white. Again, I'm not trying to downgrade anything, I guess I just get it or don't see it the same way. If you do feel so strongly about it, how about letting the ice cream man/woman know about the negative connotations of the song? Maybe that will get the word out and your grandchildren will again be able to get a tasty treat from the ice cream man. :)
@gacpl-thanks for sharing. However, you know I want share that untruth and the last time I checked Republicans were the one giving free tax breaks to corporations for their vote;Corporate welfare.
History lesson for gacpl. I’m so sick and tired of modern-day Republicans, “Well, Lincoln freed the slaves so blacks should vote Republican".
Have you ever heard of the “Southern Strategy”?
Do you understand that what WAS once the “republican party” is now the “Democratic Party”?
What was once the party of Lincoln, Booker T., and Martin is now the Democratic Party?
Whenever the topic of racism gets brought up between Democrats and Republicans, there are two facts you’ll almost always hear conservatives use to counter the belief that their party is full of racism:
President Abraham Lincoln was a Republican
The KKK was largely organized, and populated by, Democrats
And both are facts.
But when someone uses these two items as their defense that the Republican party isn’t loaded with racism, they’re only showing their ignorance about the reality of racism within their party.
It’s true, Southern Democrats were extremely racist. At the same time, Northern “liberal” Democrats and Republicans had already been working together to end discrimination and pushed for ending segregation.
See, in 1948, President Harry Truman made one of the boldest public moves by a Democrat towards Civil Rights for African Americans by creating the President’s Committee on Civil Rights, and ending discrimination in the military. At the Democratic National Convention in 1948 a call was made for civil rights—prompting at least 35 Southern delegates to walk out.
The moves by President Truman sparked the spread of equality in the South and left Southern white Democrats with a feeling that their party was abandoning their racist — and oppressive — system of beliefs.
Over the next decade, more and more Democrats began to embrace equality, passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. And while more African Americans began to vote for Democrats, in the late-1960′s a new Republican strategy was put into place—the “Southern strategy.”
This is another example of digging deep to sensationalize something that if your look at real hard; you can allege it is racist.
There are multitudes of instances or actual racist actions that need to be focused on as opposed the Ice Cream "Person" is racist selling Intolerance Pops, Push Down Pops, and the worst one of all; Fudge cycle's... I cannot fathom why we insist on looking for the worst in a situation as opposed to an OBJECTIVE analysis of the circumstance.
The perception of:
- you don't like Mexican food you are racist.
- If you display or wave an American Flag , you are racist.(apparently any other flag is "ok")
- and now my personal favorite... The Ice Cream Truck is the new Uncle Tom's Cabin.
I now also assume that if you display a white Nativity Scene or heaven forbid; a white Santa Claus you are also considered a racist.
There is a difference between teaching our children what is "right" and what is common sense.
At the end of the day if you look at most any circumstance hard enough you can find a connection; no matter how far removed or minute. I choose to be objective and call a situation what it is; not what I want it to be.
HMJC-your examples are insensitive and ignorant. I didn't wast my time discussing racism with you because your clueless and your recent comment supports my belief. I don't have a problem discussing racism with someone that is serious about making a difference and not playing games.
You are right, my examples are ridiculous; That's the problem!! and just for the record, wanting to make a difference does not mean you being politically correct, kow-tow'ing to the status quo,
or pretending your concur with a vague or far reaching assessment of a perceived situation. I spent over 20 years in the Army and our EO policy was simple; We are GREEN. Soldiers were assessed on their achievements; not color, creed, or heaven forbid... sexual preference. Like it or not; the reference to the nativity scene and Santa are unfortunately points of contention for some. I again stress that the references made are part of the problem. None of that drama is going to help bridge the racial gap. Lastly please keep in mind that an objective discussion does not mean the points of view concur with each other. Lastly, I find it ironic that you have alluded that my points of view are narrow. Kind of funny considering a majority of your postings definitely lean to one side.
PN, there's more to the story that you fail to acknowledge, here is a more truthful summarization of the southern strategy here.
And also the Southern Strategy de-bunked here:
And you also need to catch up with the facts about civil rights and voting rights passage which was led by Republican Senator Everett Dirkson and you will also learn why Martin Luther King was a Republican all here:
Take the NRBA Black history test and learn even more of what Republicans have done for blacks here:
And if you find out that you need even more facts check out the NBRA site with Founder Francis Rice here:
Don't let the Democrats and liberal media bamboozle you into the false re-write of American History
making a difference with racism starts with how you raise your kids. ie.. not telling them not to trust white kids or to and i quote "watch themselves around whites".
You are very untruthful- I never said that. I taught my children not to trust everyone they meet-regardless of color. I've met some whites that I would trust with my prize possessions- I've met some minorities that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them. I judge people by their character.
PN, I wholeheartedly concur with considering someone's word and deed as opposed to skin color. Believe it or not; that is exactly my point in regards to race relations. This directly aligns with my ideology that impact vs. intent needs to be weighed before making a blanket statement that a situation is race based. Any progress will have to be based on objective situation analysis and using common sense to assess a situation with all of the emotion removed. And just for the record; you have zero idea in regards to my actions striving to encourage change. Maybe my downfall is I don't mince words and I bring up situations or perceptions that people think about but do not discuss so as not be construed as a racist at face value. At the end of the day it comes down to personal accountability for ones actions. I stand by mine and accept accolades and criticism as one and the same. Do take care but please be careful not to assume ones stance on a matter unless there is irrefutable truth to say different.
PN, how would you feel if I said" What difference at this point does it make" or " That was a long time ago"
@Funk- I would say share that sympathy with someone that hurt you in the past or someone you may not have spoken to in years.
Well this guy is keeping the hate inherent in racism alive and well, at least in his mind.
What is it with 80 year old white guys today? The Answer: they are still married to the racist mentality that they grew up with. Sterling, in his non-apology-apology, now says he is going to not only NOT PAY THE NBA FINE of 2.5 million for his racist rant(s) he is going to fight the selling of his team.
The struggle goes on and we must be vigilant and choke it out or it has the potential to spread like a California wild fire.
I am amazed about all this uproar about a song written in 1916. You would think nothing has changed in all those years when it comes to race. Does everything have to be about race these days? It is to the point you can't disagree about anything in the political arena without being labeled either a bigot, a racist, or just plain ignorant. What happened to civil discourse without all the name calling? How about acting like adults rather than a bunch of little kids on the playground fussing over who gets to be it first. I'm an old white guy who is raising my two mixed race grandsons and it galls me to be labeled a racist just because I am white and old. If I was a racist I sure would never have taken on that responsibility in my sixties. Sorry excuse of a country and its people that we live in today.
Wayne44- I applaud you for your efforts to raise your half black grandchildren. However, that doesn't clear anyone from being a bigot a racist or just plain ignorant. I know a lot of people that deal with their grandchildren out of love for their children not their grandchildren.
PN Thank you for proving my point about intolerance. You basically called me a liar by saying it didn't make a difference about my grandchildren being mixed raced because you know a lot of people who do it only because they love their children. What a mealy-mouthed response to my comment. You won't ever have to worry about me ever responding to any of your comments ever again. I don't deal with racist's and you certainly qualify.
I owe Wayne an apology. I apologize for offending you and I pray you find it in your heart to forgive me for the insensitive comment.