Hello rjp106. We been down this 'ghost bus' road before. Kinda boils down to an expensive local government exercise in order to tell prospective business considering coming here: looky here...we got buses...public transportation, vacant houses, and 'celebrity' bartenders.
The tax payers are being pillaged. Wait til Splost gets here. If they get it fine. New Taj Mahal. If not, watch your property taxes go up for no other reason than too much rain falls on your concrete driveway thus making a drainage issue for the city to deal with.
You are now in the land of taxation, world wide trips by our officials, and expensive ghost buses.
Live Long and Prosper.
I believe they have shut down most of the bus routes. I have not been seeing as many as there were about a year ago.
"Wait til Splost gets here"
Now that is a subject worthy of a good thorough discussion before the election.
I agree. There has to be a way to handle Hinesvilles public transportation more efficiently. For example, I am not sure about now but as of a year ago there was not a route that ran from Hinesville proper to the Liberty county industrial park in Midway GA. This route would accommodate a substantial part of the population.
You are correct.
But public transportation and how it could be affordable is much like the "chicken and the egg",,,,
,,,,which one came first,,,,
As a child I rode the bus to Savannah with my Grandmother because my family did not own an automobile.
The routes which were implemented by Liberty Transit were done by some one who was incompetent or simply lacking in experience.
It appeared to be destined for failure (like many government projects) as it came out of the gate.
This county needs affordable public transportation.
We don't all possess a welfare Cadillac.
Re: Splost. If we pass it...we raise our taxes a penny on the dollar for us and EVERYBODY. If we do not pass it, then the local Governing Bodies will find a way to raise our property taxes to make up for the 'lost' Splost Dollars. It is almost a lose-lose for taxpayers. Course we pick up some of them pennies from those passing through here but how much does that really amount to compared to those of us who live here?
If I was a politician I would propose something like this. I would propose a SPLOST for the PROPERTY OWNERS and the County. Maybe considering SPLITTING those pennies that amount to millions of dollars 50-50 with the powers that be. The 50% that the taxpayers would get would be distributed amongst the Liberty County Property owners to lower their taxes (we could maybe develop a formula for the pennies going to the property tax payers proportionally) and our Leaders could then incrementally implement their projects such as a no kill animal rescue and other community projects.
That would be a very fair and popular thing to do. Even if we did it ONCE. It would sure make our current officials more popular than they are now and they would get something out of it and we would too!
What cha think?
I posted several blogs a few years back on this topic which examined the whole situation - especially the routes and ridership - ad NAUSEUM. If you want to go back into the weeds, see:
The buses were purchased with federal "stimulus" money when it was being shoveled out by the Obama administration in boatloads during his first term. The definition of "stimulus" was obviously extremely lax, and IMHO the program was just another excuse for the government to throw money away.
We knew all along that the "stimulus" money only bought the buses - the future upkeep, maintenance, etc. was all on the local taxpayers. After a year, it was obvious that nobody was riding the buses and that there was no way it was ever going to pay for itself.
They cut back the routes and the frequency, and I have seen NOTHING on how much money the program is losing now or how long they intend to keep feeding the beast.
The bus windows have been dark since the beginning, and while it may not have been intentional, the blackened windows did a great job of hiding actual ridership from the public. My daughter rode the buses almost daily for the first year or so that the system was in operation, and she and the driver were usually the only occupants on the buses she rode. It was pathetic.
They tried via T-SPLOST last year (?) to obtain funding for Liberty Transit O&M, but fortunately that was defeated at the ballot box state-wide. The latest I heard was that Liberty County - along with one or two other counties in which T-SPLOST actually passed - were trying to essentially "gerrymander" the situation so that funding could be voted on (and in) by individual counties. We should all be on the alert for that if it comes to a vote, so that we can kill it.
When we are piling up debt everywhere, we don't need to throw more money into a sink hole.
Some of us TALKERS need to attend these forthcoming SPLOST meetings and get it on record why it cannot be on the ballot.
I ain't a talker. I write things. Maybe force a hand vote yay or nay having it on the ballot. We got to do something. We can't all move to Boca Raton.
But we can build taj mahals and raise our representatives salaries.
Maybe the Spradley guy could take this one on?!
It is an OPPORTUNITY afterall.
I am not a hundred per cent certain but I think I remember attending a gathering where the discussion was all about sales tax and the various types available for counties to offer their citizens the chance to approve.
This was a long time ago, about 25 years.
I believe there is in fact a one cent sales tax option in the State of Georgia that can be used exclusively in the General fund to help lower the property tax burden.
sebekm will you please research this?
Yo Sebe....would you bring me back a cup of black coffee with one Stevia sweetener in it when you get back with Tot's assignment?
Tot won't admit it...but he'd prefer it if you sat on his lap while delivering his assignment.
Just leave my coffee on my desk, please.
"Yo Sebe....would you bring me back a cup of black coffee with one Stevia sweetener in it when you get back with Tot's assignment?"
"sebekm will you please research this?"
No - but if you go here:
and type these words in the search window:
one cent sales tax State of Georgia property taxes
and then click on the little magnifying glass, you'll get pages of links that discuss your question.
(Jimmy - remember:
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.)
"Tot won't admit it...but he'd prefer it if you sat on his lap while delivering his assignment."
That's fine, but I'll leave the lap-sitting up to you two guys when you reconcile....
Information you requested:
Georgia’s Local option sales taxes
LOST – Local Option Sales Tax
HLOST – Homestead Local Option Sales Tax
May be used to increase the homestead exemption for property taxes
SPLOST – Special Purpose Local Option Sales Tax
ESPLOST – Education Special Purpose Local Sales Tax
TSPLOST – Transportation Special Purpose Local Sales Tax
I believe if we imposed HLOST the proceeds of that would give homeowners some relief.
HLOST!!!! Now that is a tax I can vote for. Now: How do we promote it? Give them their SPLOST if they give us our HLOST? That's a win-win. It would entail pickets and signs, and determined tax payers. Phone calls to our local and county reps. Letters to the Editor. Attending meetings in droves and speaking up. Cohesion in the ranks of the tax-payers...that means employing the PRS rule: No bringing up Politics (Dem-Rep),Religion, and Sex. Rounding up all the people in the area that have had their homes foreclosed on if they can be located.
Acts of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE if the other side remains intransigent about the matter. Boycotts of certain businesses. Publicity from the papers and maybe a TV Station or two.
I am a fire starter. I am also am a polarizing figure. (imagine that?!)I am not Leadership material. I do know stuff tho.
Savannah has a S.T.O.P. Stop Taxing Our People organization. They may be amenable towards advising us how to form such an organization. Also, I think during the McGiver Administration there existed certain 'Citizens Advisory Councils.' I made fun of it at the time because it just seemed to add another layer to go thru to reach your County Commissioner which is already hard enough. Ever tried to get an item to discuss on their agenda??
I will lend what ever support I can and show my presence when called for.
But....WE NEED A LEADER.
with the known benefits of good public transportation it does not seem like stopping the bus service altogether is a good idea. The service has to however become efficient and serve it's purpose. Two things that I am not sure it has ever done.
from the Liberty Transit website we have this
"Liberty Transit will provide transportation options for everyone within the service area. It helps people that cannot drive, such as youth, seniors and persons with disabilities, as well as military troops and families. The service benefits everyone by reducing traffic congestion and demand for parking, and helps to reduce air pollution and other environmental impacts of automobile use."
This is a great boiler plate explanation of a bus system however it is flawed in itself. the service is for everyone however it seems as though it is marketed to those who cannot and do not drive in that case if only those who it is marketed to use it this service will not reduce and hasn't reduced traffic congestion.
There are complex traffic patterns available for the steering committee to use and set up stops and routes for men and women who are driving already. This would reduce traffic congestion. There are also programs the system can use that would provide employers with passes and at deep discounts.
The biggest reason the system has failed is simply that it never reached out to the outlying areas of the county where the real potential for riders were in the first place.