All that may be true but the most important scripture is "judge yea not and yea shall not be judged". You nor Republicans have a heaven or hell to put someone in. Do you think God would be pleased with you denying someone food, a place to sleep, access to healthcare or education because of the lifestyle they choose? No. We are only here to do his will and show love. Your daily living should draw sinners in. They should look at the way you treat others and want to serve the God you serve. I also know that NO sin is greater than the other. So that little white lie you told, or indulgence in something, or hate or malicious or not obeying the law (speeding; guess what-all on the same level to God. So, that person your judging or holding animosity towards because they don't measure up to your beliefs may see the kingdom of heaven and you not. They could make peace with the father before they leave this earth and you could leave the earth-still holding malice in your heart. Who are we to judge?
Once again your blog is misleading and full of untruths. I also think it says a lot about you that you would turn your topic into an issue of the white woman vs the black and non white woman.
WHITE WOMAN HAVE MORE ABORTIONS
"In the 41 areas for which race was adequately reported, approximately 55% of women who obtained legal induced abortions were known to be white, 35% were black, and 7% were of other races; for 3% of the women, race was unknown. The abortion ratio for black women (503 per 1,000 live births) was 3.0 times the ratio for white women (167 per 1,000 live births). Additionally, the abortion ratio for women of other races (329 per 1,000 live births) was 2.0 times the ratio for white women. The abortion rate for black women (30 per 1,000 women) was 3.1 times the rate for white women (10 per 1,000 women), whereas the abortion rate for women of other races (22 per 1,000 women) was 2.2 times the rate for white women."
Correct link to website noted above:
My blog is NOT full of "untruths." And the fact that you even say so - presuming you checked the links and read the entire blog - proves that you are only playing spin the story. I have cited statistical FACTS and exact biblical QUOTES.
I DID NOT MAKE UP THE CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL REPORT WHICH I CITED FOR MY ABORTION STATISTICS. Look at it. It is not a "right wing" report from a "right wing" web cite. It states statistical facts from reported abortions IN GEORGIA.
I DID NOT MAKE UP THE BIBLICAL QUOTES WHICH CONDEMN HOMOSEXUALITY AS A SIN.
I DID NOT MAKE UP THE DEMOCRATS TAKING GOD OUT OF THEIR PLATFORM AND BOOING WHEN THEIR PARTY LEADER DIRECTED THAT IT BE PUT BACK IN.
I asked questions which you refused to answer. Those questions are at the end of my basic blog post. From my research, I found NOTHING which indicates the Democratic Party is anything other than anti-religion - and by extension - anti-God. They call it "secularism." But there is not requirement for a political party to "separate church and state" from the causes they support. If there was, the Democrats would have sued the Republicans over it long ago. Political parties are known by the people who belong to them and the causes they support. The fact that atheists overwhelmingly are Democrats and the Democratic Party is the party where if you're religious "you need not apply" tells the whole story.
I repeat - What have the Democrats done to:
*Ensure the party and its platform, activism, goals and objectives support – or are “FOR” – God or religion?
*Ensure that religious freedom is permitted “without restrictions and regardless of ability to pay?"
*Promote religious practice and affiliation in recognition that these are important pillars of our society?
*Demonstrate the same tolerance of an individual’s religious culture and beliefs to the equivalent extent that they lobby for tolerance of abortion and homosexual rights?
I couldn't find a single thing. That's the point of my blog and it is NOT "full of untruths." There is not one single statistical fact or cited report which is "untrue." If there is, point them out and tell me WHAT IS UNTRUE.
Otherwise, we both know that my blog is full of truths that you refuse to admit.
I am not sure if I am comfortable with associating religion with one political party or another. Religion and politics in my opinion do not mix well.
Some good verses about this from the bible would be
"They said, “Caesar's.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.”
I thessalonians 4:11-12
And to aspire to live quietly, and to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we instructed you, so that you may walk properly before outsiders and be dependent on no one.
Finally I would direct you to
But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
I've already pointed that out. Your stats on abortion among race! Also, your interpretation of the bible is just-yours and the people you choose to follow.
I repeat-what have the Republicans done to hold up the blood stain banner?
*Help the poor and middle class
*Take care of the sick and shutin
*Not show a respect of person (rich vs poor)
And the list goes on and on.
No PN - I'm asking the questions on my blog. What have DEMOCRATS done to support religion? The list does NOT go "on and on." Democrats want religion OUT of the national discourse on family and social issues. Why? Because they don't want to debate the GOP on the issue - they know they will LOSE.
Your silence to my questions tells the entire story. And the abortion stats I cite are NOT "MY" abortion stats - they are statistics from the Centers for Disease Control - a FEDERAL AGENCY which is under control of the Obama Administration. They report the numbers; I just quoted their stats.
shannalat: Some believe that religion has no place in politics whatsoever. But that ignores the fact that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and concepts which have guided the actions of our government - and people - since the Declaration of Independence. My unstated point in all this is that to devalue religion - ACROSS THE BOARD - as the Democratic Party does in their platform and their politics undercuts everything that has provided a moral compass for this country ever since its inception. When a government devalues and even attacks religion, it not only ignores an important resource to maintain order but it also puts a society on a path to social disorder and eventual disintegration.
I quoted the Bible on abortion and homosexuality because it is a typical Democrat argument that the Bible:
*Says nothing about abortion, and
*Does not condemn homosexuality.
The above quotes - WHICH I DID NOT MAKE UP - clearly show otherwise.
To debate this issue - IMHO - is not a "foolish controversy," nor is it about the law. It is about how the major political parties which produce the people who lead this country view religion and God.
These issues are just as important as domestic and foreign policy.
Seb-give it a rest. I could go back and fourth with you all day but it's not worth it. Put your view on the table and move forward. Information overload is running bloggers away and it consumes your mind body and soul.
Also, I just left a workshop about blogger etiquette-they say make your point-respond once than move on..Try it. I plan too.
Already tried it - for many years. When you do, your single point/single comment gets buried in the noise. Also - when you believe your "adversary" either doesn't get your point or refuses to see it, it does them a disservice (and/or lets them off the hook) to just "go away." Also, other points come up in the debate which if you "move on" get uncontested.
We dither about some REALLY fine points around here, which I guess is to our credit that we get into the weeks (at least I think so).
*Your 07:09 AM link (abortion stats for WHITE WOMEN HAVE MORE ABORTIONS) doesn't work. So
*I went to census.gov - which is the official web site of the U.S. Census Bureau. There - at Table 101 - is displayed "Abortions—Number and Rate by Race: 1990 to 2007."
Look at the tables. From 1990 to 2007, the rate per thousand for white women varied from a yearly high of 21.5 to 13.8. The chart further shows that the rate per thousand for black women between 1990 to 2007 varied from a high of 63.9 to 48.2. See:
This table TOTALLY VALIDATES my contention and the statistics I cite in my basic blog post. The average rate is roughly 3:1 black vs. white - NATIONALLY. This takes into consideration that nationally there may be more white women than black women in the population, but sets for the percentages PER THOUSAND. In Georgia, the rate is even higher and is more significant considering that the RATIO of white women to black women in the Georgia population (i.e., total number of white women vs. total number of black women) is far smaller than in some other parts of the country.
These are not "misleading" statistics, and I didn't make them up.
I'm convinced more than ever that you have a problem with being wrong and will argue with a shoe. I will not feed that...narcissist behavior.
When I am proven wrong, I will admit it. I'm trying to point out my reasoning and the factual basis of my arguments. You counter by saying my facts are "misleading" and you don't offer any evidence to show how Democrats support religion. After all - that's the subject and the questions raised by the blog. My hunch is that you won't address the questions because there are no good answers to support your "opposing argument."
When someone disproves my arguments or conclusions by showing me where my facts or reasoning are wrong, then I'll admit I'm wrong. I always have and I always will. But that hasn't happened YET - at least not on this blog.
You can call it narcissism. I call it sticking-to-your-guns and vigorous debate.
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams
Religion is and should be personal not part of any political party
You are absolutely right Shan! But try telling that to the pentacostal conservative snake handlers we have here.
ha ha I really laughed out loud when I read that! oh boy. But if someone wants to be a pentacostal conservative snake handler I may not agree or understand but I say they should be who they are.
"Religion is and should be personal not part of any political party."
Absolutely. I am not a particularly "religious person," but the point of this blog is POLITICAL. When one party ATTACKS religion and deemphasizes it at every turn, WE THE PEOPLE need to recognize this and understand the consequences.
This blog was a response to the denials by that party's supporters that my contention was untrue. I backed up my arguments with statistical and historical facts, which they were unable to refute, and which they attempted to dismiss with generic obfuscation.
I personally believe that organized religion has been and continues to be an essential pillar of American society, and - along with our legal system - provides the framework for the moral compass which maintains order and enables peace and prosperity. As we deemphasize - even attack - religion as an irrelevant or even UNNECESSARY element of a healthy society, which the Democrats do, we are cutting our own throats. The negative results are only seen over time, so those who do it now are making things worse for our descendants across the board.
Facts are facts. Opinions are opinions. I know the difference and when I present each category I identify them as such. One can take issue with an opinion, but history has shown almost always that when you ignore the facts, you are only shooting yourself in the foot.
"This blog was a response to the denials by that party's supporters that my contention was untrue."
Substitute "true" for "untrue" in the above sentence.