@Tot. You and Starr Parker are wrong again. See my comment above on PN's Blog regarding one of your own, Cal Thomas. You banishment types are refuting God's call to 'go forth and spread the Good News...to all, not just SOME... and to Not banish the opportunities to spread of the Word.
Try the New Testament Tot and read about Jesus and Forgiveness. I sincerely doubt that you, me, nor, Sebe, Funk, PN, lholmes, up2, Eyes, HMJC, R4L... Any of us here is without sin.
Now comes the Real Question: What now are you going to do about it?
"There is a higher law and it incorporates grace and mercy.
When offered the opportunity to condemn “the woman taken in adultery,”
Jesus, faced by her accusers, bent down and started to write in the dirt with his finger before saying,
“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Slowly the crowd drifted away. After the crowd was gone, Jesus turned to the woman and asked:
“Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, Lord,” she said.
“Neither do I condemn you,” he declared.
“Go now and leave your life of sin.”
from Cal Thomas
That tells me that God commanded her to leave her life of sin.
I strongly believe that we all sin at times in our lives.
I believe God loves us all but we will be punished for our sins unless we beg God for forgiveness.
Once we have been forgiven for prior sins we are not then allowed to return to the sinful ways and continue to have forgiveness.
“Neither do I condemn you,” he declared.
“Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Yes Tot. But how many of us mortals: "Go and Sin No More."??
We ALL fall short Tot. Every last one of us. We must fight the good fight and try...but our mortal being is an impediment for totally stopping our sins.
Only ONE could do that.
See this bothers me a little. The idea of denying someone a service because you do not agree with them.
In free commerce their should be no discrimination of services rendered other than the type of services so than means
****Would anyone question the refusal of a black vendor to sells sheets to the local Ku Klux Klan chapter?
Well to not sell your product to someone simply because you think they will use it for something it is not intended for would be meet with some criticism.
** Or a Jewish merchant refusing to sell the poster board for a Neo-Nazi rally?
Same deal the Jewish merchant sold a non denominational poster board.
**Or refusal of a Christian video service to make a pornographic film?
A Christian video service would more than likely only produce christian movies.
It is not asking vendors to do something they normally wouldn't do it is asking them to not discriminate when it comes to their clientele.
** So why is it not perfectly clear that the religious freedom of a Christian merchant is violated if that merchant is forced to bake a cake or prepare a flower arrangement for a same-sex marriage which is not only as personally repugnant to that vendor as any in the cases above, but is also a clear and literal violation of the scripture that defines the faith of these individuals?
No one is forcing anyone to conduct business merely to offer business to all. The baker is asked to bake a cake in support of the money offered not the man or woman offering the money.
Also not quite so sure that homosexual lifestyles are violations of christian scripture or faith. I would point out the existence of gay ministers in christian faith to the the evidence of the ambiguous nature of the statement that is also a clear and literal violation of the scripture that defines the faith. However it may be a violation of the individuals faith and individual is a key word there. As an indivual you can discriminate all you want not as a business though
**And why is it that same-sex couples have such a hard time finding bakers and florists that are not offended by their wedding? Why do they wind up with such regularity trying to buy from Christian vendors?
I don't think the religion of a vendor should really matter.
**Let’s keep in mind that the idea of religious freedom only means something as long as religion means something.
It is critical that Christians draw the line and continue the struggle and not allow religion or religious freedom to be compromised.
I am not sure if I would want to be part of a religon whose practice involves discrimination. Now service and compassion yes but discrimination and judgement no I will pass
I do think there is a culture war but not one that pits homosexual and heterosexual but one that pits tolerant and intolerant against each other
"It is critical that Christians draw the line and continue the struggle and not allow religion or religious freedom to be compromised."
Exactly. But a main stickler nowadays is how the term "religious freedom" is defined. That tends to be the point of contention. One example that comes to mind is the case of the Little Sisters of the Poor.
They believe that ObamaCare requires them to facilitate third parties providing contraceptive devices (inconsistent with their religious doctrine), and that simply being forced to sign an ObamaCare acknowledgement form violates their religious freedom.
This argument sounds a little weak to me, but there must be something to it since the U.S. Supreme Court has provided them a stay which allows the Little Sisters to NOT sign the form pending further review. See:
Now WHY the Obama administration is pushing this issue to the U.S. Supreme Court is another story - and the subject for another blog. In that regard, THIS particular blog comes to mind:
I know this is beating a dead horse but I just posted a blog about this
I have no problem with beating a dead horse:
Unfortunately, "fallacies" many times are in the eye of the beholder. There's also a conscious unwillingness to see all sides of an issue, or to comprehend the full significance and scope of factors that come into play.
I am 100% certain that Christians do not believe that the basis for their faith and their adherence to the religious concepts they have been taught almost since birth are NOT fallacies. And to me, there is undeniable value in organized religion for any society. Countries who try to stamp out religious influence and organized religions from their societies ordinarily have citizens who suffer more. Check out Asia and Eastern Europe for examples.
To me, the whole thing IS a cultural "war" if you define that as an objective by the opposition to eradicate religious perspective and influence from having a guiding hand in society. Many civilizations have done this down through history and - IMHO - it was a significant contributor to their downfall.
logical fallacies are always in the eye of the beholder. Usually society has certain logic and morals in place which include a respect for all people in spite of things like sexual orientation.
I don't think bigotry should be included in the basis for any religion. Call the exclusion of providing a service to a customer what you want but it is nothing less than bigotry. In the Christian religion when Jesus helped the Samaritan he did so in a compassionate way. Nothing but the need mattered. In Asia and eastern Europe it is true that there are few states with a national religion but the religions practiced there are many in spite of a governments effort to silence it's people. Through control over media and the lack of free speech.
I think maybe if it is a cultural war than the sides are one of bigotry and another of tolerance.
I don't think tolerance will be the downfall of religion but hate will
She sure is. Not only can she copy and paste like you Tot, she can also formulate her own words.
So Tot, who makes up your breakfast group? Are Lesbians, Gays, Bi-sexuals and the Transgendered welcome to join you group? How about interracial couples? Can they come and discuss issues with your group?
One maybe last question: Are any of them packing heat?