"why do the libs think taking guns will help when the facts show other wise?"
My guess is that they know that our founders believed that the primary reason for establishing a nation with the right to bear arms was so that in the event our government ever got out of control the citizens would need to be armed so that they might correct things.
I saw recently where Thomas Jefferson once said,
"Those who hammer their guns into plow shears will plow for those who do not."
I just posted a blog about another issue that ties in with this one, its about growing illelgal and legal aliens in our military. the number of foriegners serving in our military is alarming. Look around you talk to them, youll notice it right away. the number has been growing drastically since 2007 why, is it to take your guns away with people who dont care, because they are from another country, it makes sence, doesnt it?