Saw that one PN. Course now Conservatives will say the Pope is a SOCIALIST or worse a COMMUNIST. So now....they got Liberals, Democrats, Veterans (Tot claims this one), single gay men and lesbians, married gay men and lesbians, Obama, and now the POPE to add to their hate list.
Unfortunately, the Pope's relevance in the world - and especially in this country - has been so eroded by the liberal mentality and lifestyle that he now has only a fraction of the influence he had in the 20th Century. In short - nobody (except the most devout Catholics) really cares what he says or thinks any more. It's a sad state of affairs, but completely understandable considering the assault that has been waged by "modern and progressive societies" on the traditional values that Roman Catholic doctrine has always espoused.
This is a precarious path you are now walking, Sebe. It is within a hairs distance from saying Liberals are working against God. I am a Liberal that was Baptized by full immersion in Jan 1995 and I take such comments to heart. It is akin to TOT saying Liberals let Adam Lanza in the back door at Sandy Hook to kill them babies.
Such statements take any discussion to a "God is on OUR Side" type interaction.
It shuts down rationality.
This is unfortunate for you and I Sebe. At least it is for me because it puts our quasi blog friendship on the line.
The next move is yours, my friend. And there is a lot riding on it.
"Sooooo...Liberal mentality is eroding CHRISTIANITY now."
Just saw your comment in the paper. I haven't been back to this page since my November 26 comment. So here goes.
I define the liberal mentality as the "anything goes" society. It is pervasive throughout the world and has significantly eroded the moral foundation of the peoples of the world. The Pope's relevance is now so significantly diminished that only devout Catholics really care what he says.
There is a direct correlation between the Pope's lack of influence - and the significant decline in the influence of ALL organized religions in the world - and the moral decay which directly contributes to the destruction of the family unit.
The liberal mentality is a direct assault on the traditional family unit - as I define it - and consequently directly assaults the most significant underpinning of our (and world) society.
Jimmy: you should start reading actually what I write - not what you think I'm writing or what you'd like me to write so you can disagree with it. I said NOTHING about "God on our side" or anything about God at all. If anything, you could infer that I said that God's relevance in the world is a hell of a lot LESS due to the liberal mentality.
Democrats are liberals. Democrats moved to ban God from their platform at the 2012 Democratic National Convention. Then they BOOED when Obama tried to put God back in.
There is no greater evidence that a political party - by their own actions - are "against God" than to kick God out of the document that states what they stand for and what they support. Obviously, Democrats - and by extension "liberals" - are not FOR God if they ban him from their party platform.
I have said nothing above that I haven't already said before many times on these here blog pages. If you are now choosing to make something more of it than you have already, you are just grasping at straws trying to tie me in with your "road kill."
You shouldn't do that. It wouldn't be the "Christian" thing to do.....
Didn't mean to upset you, Sebe, but I believe the words referencing the "liberal mentality" and the way you phrased them ARE THE PRECURSORS to "God is on our side" talk. I never said that YOU stated God was on your side.
The "liberal mentality", in my view, was employed by Jesus to widen the pathway and open the door to all seeking salvation, and NOT excluding salvation to just the Chosen People. He made salvation available to YOU, Sebe. He encouraged us to be our brothers keeper not to exclude him.
Liberalism brought humanity out of the Dark Ages and into the Renaissance, the AGE of Enlightenment. This included advances in science, the Arts, architecture etc.
The 'liberal mentality' didn't end war but it did STOP ONE. You may recall the one often referred to as a 'police action.'?!
The 'liberal mentality' did not end Racism, but it did STOP SEGREGATION.
The 'liberal mentality' helped women break thru the glass ceiling instead of keepin em barefoot and pregnant.
The 'liberal mentality' opened doors in all areas of society for minorities to compete, excel, and lead.
The 'liberal mentality' kicked big government out of telling a woman what she could or could not do with her uterus.
The 'liberal mentality' said that Love is available to all that seek it with another human.
Just a few things. I am not trying to write a War and Peace thing here.
I'm not grasping at straws here Sebe. I am trying to absorb and understand your language and where it may lead.
Did not wish to go negative here regarding the Church, but all them pedophile priests did NOTHING to help the Church's image. Liberalism had NOTHING to do with those criminal acts.
Jimmy: I'm not upset. I'm just saying that when you are for abortion; when you promote policies which destroy the traditional family structure; when you kick God out of your party platform; and when you boo when your own President tries to put God back in - it is very easy for even the most fair-minded person to believe that you (the party which is synonymous with "liberals") are AGAINST GOD AND AGAINST FAMILY. Through their policies over the years, the Democrats/liberals certainly have done nothing to PROMOTE the value of God, organized religion, or the traditional family as being central to the healthy societal structure of this country.
So as for my language and the liberal mentality, to me "liberal" will always equal "anything goes." And "anything goes" equals moral decay and societal disintegration.
But as to religion - it does appear that a few Democrats have found some lately - thanks to ObamaCare putting their "seats" in jeopardy. The latest is Arkansas senator Mark Pryor, who now "invokes his belief in God" and cites the Bible's teachings in a new campaign advertisement. See:
I wonder where he was during the 2012 Democratic National Convention? I certainly didn't hear him speaking up on behalf of his "belief in God" or the Bible's teachings while his party was further disassociating itself (if that's possible) from The Almighty.
But as Steverino used to say: "...all seriousness aside..." For Pryor, this is obviously just an attempt to bail his chestnuts out of the fire with his constituency over ObamaCare. But there are several Democratic senators who will be going home in January 2015 and are in the same boat as Pryor. I wonder if they'll find religion, too? (BTW: Here's comes another one:
Finally - back to the Pope - I'll point out that the Pope STILL condemns abortion:
even though his latest "Apostolic Exhortation" has opened to mixed reviews:
I believe this Pope's heart is in the right place, but he may have come along about 50 years too late to have any great impact on the world and the bad stuff that is going on today.
Good ponts sebe. Cant respond right now. Family health issue. If all goes well I will be back.
Out for now.
First my amigo Sebe: You certainly are entitled to your own definition of Liberalism. I will stick with my post made above. But I will offer up MY perspective or opinion regarding Conservatism.
a. Liberals believe America is a nation of law not religion.
b. Iran is a nation of Religion.
c. Our founding forefathers made it a point to ensure separation of Church and State:
They went so far as to make it part of the United States of America of the Constitution:
Conservatism has problems wrapping their mind around this point. Liberalism is NOT an 'any thing goes' mentality as viewed by your comments. However, here are some aspects of the 'conservative mentality.'
For the most part with all but a few is the home of regressive and supressively inclined WHITE people and seeks to exclude rather than include any notion of progressive thinking.
Conservatives seek to control EVERY woman's uterus. The 'Conservative mentality' view not being able to feed your family that it is morally right NOT to step in and feed the poor and hungry. They view those lacking in food as a character flaw of a destitute family in need of assistance and any attempts to feed starving babies is an unreasonable GIVE AWAY.
Conservative's seek to control whom a person can or cannot love.
The 'conservative mentality' believe as Gordon Cecko(sic) did, that Greed truly is a GOOD thing.
The 'Conservative mentality' believe tax loopholes for the wealthy is a well deserved action and that they must protect the well to do, at any and all costs.
Let everyone else who find themselves in dire straits eat cake.
One more thing: The 'conservative mentality' believe the War on Drugs was a victory when in fact the war is over and drugs won. But they still need to spend billions and billions of tax payer money to thwart Reefer Madness. Having learned nothing from history regarding Prohibition.
"Conservatives seek to control EVERY woman's uterus."
This perfectly exemplifies what I have been saying. Dems call termination of life the "control of a woman's uterus."
I am not here to defend conservatism. I am here to point out what is wrong with liberalism. You can try to deflect my arguments by saying "conservatism is just as bad" (or worse), but then you aren't really addressing MY points, are you?
This argument was started - BY YOU - with the comment that "Sooooo...Liberal mentality is eroding CHRISTIANITY now?"
I responded - and continue to do so - with my opinion of the "liberal mentality." You can change the subject/obfuscate by using the "your side is worse" argument, but that does nothing to refute my points.
Speaking of those, it appears that ANOTHER "liberal" has "found religion." This one now suggests that "God Loves Obamacare." See:
And I too, Sebe, will continue to point out what is wrong with the the 'Conservative mentality.'
"Soooooo Liberal mentality is eroding CHRISTIANITY now?" What's wrong with initiating a discussion? Is it not one of the purposes of this here blog site?
Sebe, just because my comments do not agree with yours is not an attempt by me to "obfuscate or change the subject."
That is silly. I have never said or wrote that LIBERALISM is perfect. And by the same token CONSERVATISM is not perfect. Far from it. Just as you have done I have posted links supporting my views and will continue to do so.
Have a nice day. Time for Football. I will of course be back.