Saw that one PN. Course now Conservatives will say the Pope is a SOCIALIST or worse a COMMUNIST. So now....they got Liberals, Democrats, Veterans (Tot claims this one), single gay men and lesbians, married gay men and lesbians, Obama, and now the POPE to add to their hate list.
This is a precarious path you are now walking, Sebe. It is within a hairs distance from saying Liberals are working against God. I am a Liberal that was Baptized by full immersion in Jan 1995 and I take such comments to heart. It is akin to TOT saying Liberals let Adam Lanza in the back door at Sandy Hook to kill them babies.
Such statements take any discussion to a "God is on OUR Side" type interaction.
It shuts down rationality.
This is unfortunate for you and I Sebe. At least it is for me because it puts our quasi blog friendship on the line.
The next move is yours, my friend. And there is a lot riding on it.
Didn't mean to upset you, Sebe, but I believe the words referencing the "liberal mentality" and the way you phrased them ARE THE PRECURSORS to "God is on our side" talk. I never said that YOU stated God was on your side.
The "liberal mentality", in my view, was employed by Jesus to widen the pathway and open the door to all seeking salvation, and NOT excluding salvation to just the Chosen People. He made salvation available to YOU, Sebe. He encouraged us to be our brothers keeper not to exclude him.
Liberalism brought humanity out of the Dark Ages and into the Renaissance, the AGE of Enlightenment. This included advances in science, the Arts, architecture etc.
The 'liberal mentality' didn't end war but it did STOP ONE. You may recall the one often referred to as a 'police action.'?!
The 'liberal mentality' did not end Racism, but it did STOP SEGREGATION.
The 'liberal mentality' helped women break thru the glass ceiling instead of keepin em barefoot and pregnant.
The 'liberal mentality' opened doors in all areas of society for minorities to compete, excel, and lead.
The 'liberal mentality' kicked big government out of telling a woman what she could or could not do with her uterus.
The 'liberal mentality' said that Love is available to all that seek it with another human.
Just a few things. I am not trying to write a War and Peace thing here.
I'm not grasping at straws here Sebe. I am trying to absorb and understand your language and where it may lead.
Did not wish to go negative here regarding the Church, but all them pedophile priests did NOTHING to help the Church's image. Liberalism had NOTHING to do with those criminal acts.
Good ponts sebe. Cant respond right now. Family health issue. If all goes well I will be back.
Out for now.
First my amigo Sebe: You certainly are entitled to your own definition of Liberalism. I will stick with my post made above. But I will offer up MY perspective or opinion regarding Conservatism.
a. Liberals believe America is a nation of law not religion.
b. Iran is a nation of Religion.
c. Our founding forefathers made it a point to ensure separation of Church and State:
They went so far as to make it part of the United States of America of the Constitution:
Conservatism has problems wrapping their mind around this point. Liberalism is NOT an 'any thing goes' mentality as viewed by your comments. However, here are some aspects of the 'conservative mentality.'
For the most part with all but a few is the home of regressive and supressively inclined WHITE people and seeks to exclude rather than include any notion of progressive thinking.
Conservatives seek to control EVERY woman's uterus. The 'Conservative mentality' view not being able to feed your family that it is morally right NOT to step in and feed the poor and hungry. They view those lacking in food as a character flaw of a destitute family in need of assistance and any attempts to feed starving babies is an unreasonable GIVE AWAY.
Conservative's seek to control whom a person can or cannot love.
The 'conservative mentality' believe as Gordon Cecko(sic) did, that Greed truly is a GOOD thing.
The 'Conservative mentality' believe tax loopholes for the wealthy is a well deserved action and that they must protect the well to do, at any and all costs.
Let everyone else who find themselves in dire straits eat cake.
One more thing: The 'conservative mentality' believe the War on Drugs was a victory when in fact the war is over and drugs won. But they still need to spend billions and billions of tax payer money to thwart Reefer Madness. Having learned nothing from history regarding Prohibition.
And I too, Sebe, will continue to point out what is wrong with the the 'Conservative mentality.'
"Soooooo Liberal mentality is eroding CHRISTIANITY now?" What's wrong with initiating a discussion? Is it not one of the purposes of this here blog site?
Sebe, just because my comments do not agree with yours is not an attempt by me to "obfuscate or change the subject."
That is silly. I have never said or wrote that LIBERALISM is perfect. And by the same token CONSERVATISM is not perfect. Far from it. Just as you have done I have posted links supporting my views and will continue to do so.
Have a nice day. Time for Football. I will of course be back.