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The South’s New Lost Cause
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Before he was immortalized for saving the union, freeing the slaves and giving the best political speech in American history, Abraham Lincoln was just an unpopular new president handed a colossal crisis. Elected with 39.7 percent of the vote, Lincoln told a big lie in his inaugural address of 1861.

I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists,” he said, reaching out to the breakaway South. “I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”

He was saying to a Confederacy that would enshrine owning another human being in its new constitution: If you like the slaves you’ve got now, you can keep them. It was a lie in the sense that Lincoln made a promise, changed by circumstances, that he broke less than two years later -- and probably never meant to keep.

The comparisons of President Obama to Lincoln fade with every day of the shrinking modern presidency. As for the broken-promise scale: Lincoln said an entire section of the country could continue to enslave more than one in three of its people. Obama wrongly assured about five million people that they could keep their bare-bones health plans if they liked them (later amended when it turned not to be true).

As inapt as those comparisons are, what is distressingly similar today is how the South is once again committed to taking a backward path. By refusing to expand health care for the working poor through Medicaid, which is paid for by the federal government under Obamacare, most of the old Confederacy is committed to keeping millions of its own fellow citizens in poverty and poor health. They are dooming themselves, further, as the Left-Behind States.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/opinion/egan-the-souths-new-lost-cause.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1&


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JimmyMack commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 18:25 PM

As a white boy southerner, you are spot-on PN. The GOP is based upon the exploitation of those languishing in poverty with the CONSERVATIVE LIE: TRUST THE GOP TO DELIVER YOU.

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 19:17 PM

Actually, I think you mean Mr. Egan is "spot-on," but I appreciate his comments and PN's cut-and-past and link.

Of course, the obvious responses are here:

http://eaglerising.com/1912/democrats...

--here:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/libe...

--here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendr...

where Mr. Hendrickson says this:

"The most fundamental difference between the data that conservatives prefer—that the 10 poorest cities are longtime Democratic strongholds—and the data that liberals will be more inclined to cite—that the 10 poorest states are predominantly Republican, is that conservatives can point to actual policies that Democrats implemented that contributed to the impoverishment of the cities, while the liberals cannot point to specific GOP policies that have caused the poorer states to lag behind.

The Democratic case is illusory and circumstantial; the Republican case is solid and substantial. However, in a country where so many people are economically and historically illiterate, combined with the human proclivity whereby “a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest” (Paul Simon, “The Boxer”), the Democrats may be able to score some points with a hollow argument. The Republicans, though, have the facts on their side."

--and especially here, which identifies which states "fare worse" under the current President:

http://news.investors.com/050812-6104...

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 19:30 PM

...and speaking of liberal lies, check this one out - hot off the presses:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywoo...

Funkentelecky commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 19:38 PM

First of all let me point out that this is an article in the NY Times Opinion page. Second of all, I’m going to go off the cuff like HMJC did in one of his most recent blogs because of my personal experiences and facts in regards to this blog and Timothy Egan.

As a Conservative/Libertarian, I realize that we are all human and make mistakes, so ponder upon Lincolns statement in the inaugural address whether he were being truthful or telling a lie compared to BHO. Remember Lincoln is/was a conservative and the Potus is sworn in to faithfully execute the office of the president and protect and defend the constitution.”Article I, Section 1-8.” So either way Egan may try to spin it, Lincoln did his job by law and is a patriot because, 1) Slavery was the law of the land and he enforced it while it was law. 2) However he personally didn’t think it was right therefore as commander in chief during the Civil War he issued an executive order ”Emancipation Proclamation” to free all slaves that were in the 10 states still in rebellion. The Proclamation was based on the president's constitutional authority as commander in chief of the armed forces] it was not a law passed by Congress. This ultimately led to the ratification of the 13th which made slavery illegal in all of America.

Now why Egan wants to stoop this low and compare Obama’s plight to Lincoln’s is beyond me. 1) Obama, Pelosi and Reid passed healthcare, using lies, deceit and ultra partisanship by not even welcoming the Republicans to the party; however when things go wrong they won’t hesitate to say it was initially a Republican idea. Lincoln didn’t say over 24 times “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, If you like your healthcare plan you can keep your healthcare plan, period”. The word “period” is just as absolute as the word “shall” which pertains to swearing into office and executing laws already passed by congress and signed by the President. That’s unconstitutional and a power grab. See my Blog, May 19, 2008.

For your convenience:

http://community.coastalcourier.com/b...

PoliticsNation commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 20:30 PM

The hate list for the GOP has gotten so long it's crazy. Woman, gays, the poor, disabled, middle class and as they like to say often the 47% lazy group-The one's that work daily for pennies, pay taxes-sometimes more than the top 10%, raise families and work harder than most. You conservatives call these people moochers. Conservatives in the south are the worst.

The Conservatives on this site don't bother me anymore because I know their hearts and I know that good will prevail.

People are upset about the roll-out but they want the ACA to stay in place. This is a step up for blessing.

"What does it profit a man to gain the world but lose his soul"... you can find that in the bible..

At the end of the day the ACA will prevail and the Conservatives will remain in the little house because they will never see the big house anytime soon (White House). Go Hillary!

I'm signing off, you Conservatives can run up your blood pressure and spend the weekend spewing hate..

No need to post anymore this weekend because I see things turning around-it's all coming together. I'm going to BJ's in Darin tomorrow and enjoy me some crab and shrimp...

Have a great weekend!!

PoliticsNation commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 20:37 PM

Over the last 48 hours: the health care website has improved considerably, enrollment is up sharply, and the Affordable Care Act has health care costs under control.

It goes against the political narrative, but some of the "Obamacare" news is actually pretty good.

http://on.msnbc.com/1enxyi6

PoliticsNation commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 20:40 PM

The debt ceiling saga and government shutdown may be coming to a close but make no mistake, there should be consequences for those who willingly took America to the brink of disaster. Not only should Americans reject Republicans at the voting booth in 2014, they should demand the arrest of Tea Party Republicans for the high crime of sedition. And there’s a petition circulating online that does just that.
Tea Party Republicans could be charged with sedition under US law for holding America hostage.

According to the US Code (18 U.S.C. § 2384 ), seditious conspiracy is a crime under United States law. The law states in part that,

“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to… prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States… they shall each be fined or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.”

Sedition.com

PoliticsNation commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 20:43 PM

Consumers for Health- The tides seem to be turning, we've heard many success stories this week from people who were able to log on, view plans, and ENROLL in affordable, quality Marketplace coverage this week! Quick tip - if you created an account early on, you should start fresh with a new one, that seems to be key. Let us know how it goes!

PoliticsNation commented on Friday, Nov 22, 2013 at 20:47 PM

The hole you dig for someone else you will fall in yourself!

In September, Rep. Trey Radel voted for Republican legislation that would allow states to make food stamp recipients pee in cups to prove they're not on drugs. In October, police busted the Florida Republican on a charge of cocaine possession.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11...

“It’s really interesting it came on the heels of Republicans voting on everyone who had access to food stamps get drug tested," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told BuzzFeed Tuesday. "It’s like, what?”

The House over the summer approved an amendment by Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.) that would let states drug test people on food stamps. The amendment passed by voice vote, meaning members' individual yeas and nays were not recorded. Radel later voted in favor of a broader food stamps bill that included Hudson's measure.

icyman61 commented on Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 06:25 AM

PN if you want anyone arrested, you should be looking at politicians currently usurping our constitution. They act as though they are elite, and not elected official. Heck you can look in our own county to see the same type of behavior.

The Government shutdown was a bid by our president to make Republicans look bad, it worked for those who follow his drum beat without thinking. It was all a lie distraction from whats currently happening to us in America.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Nov 23, 2013 at 09:15 AM

Au Contraire ICE. The Tea Party Conservatives shut the government down and will do even MORE damage to the country if they survive the coming implosion of the GOP between them and Establishment Conservatives. Their draconian monetary objectives are aimed right at YOUR Veterans benefits and every other "Government hand-out." No COLA's is their opening act for Vets.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Nov 24, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Radel should be shot. The web site woes are the tip of the iceberg. ObamaCare is a train wreck, PERIOD. The media are reporting what the people are experiencing.

As for veteran's benefits, if this country is to get its fiscal house in order, EVERYONE has to "feel some pain." As long as it is felt across the board, we should just take our medicine. Veterans are no different than anybody else. I for one am in favor of some "draconian" reform of disability benefits and more stringent actions to prevent disability fraud.

JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:18 PM

EUREKA! I NOW GET IT!!! Conservatives are into S and M." "EVERYONE has to feel some pain." As a Democrat I say EVERYONE should not feel some pain. Quadraplegics, Nursing home residents, and the weak and destitute do NOT need to feel any more pain.

JimmyMack commented on Wednesday, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I frankly find it absurd to even think that a single mother abandoned by her dead beat husband and left with two children with little or no job skills not to mention funds for child care, should SUFFER more than they already are now. Who is going to feed them babies? Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, GOP PAC'S???!!! I think NOT!

This is, however, THE DEFINITION OF HARD CONSERVATISM. It is morally wrong and does nothing to help the weak and destitute who find themselves in circumstances not of their own creation.

Moral people DO NOT PUNISH PEOPLE like that.

Please take note, tho it screams for recognition, that I DID NOT EQUATE Conservatism to SATAN. Much unlike my Conservative friends who do so frequently on these pages by associating EVIL with Liberalism.
Depending on forthcoming responses, if there are any, we are on the verge of a thermo nuclear verbal exchange here. My silos are full and I plan to wreak total havoc if necessary.


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