The GOP was invited to come to the table 18 times before they shut down the government. Also, are your aware that the Affordable Care Act has nothing to do with the BUDGET, the issue at hand! The program is funded and doesn't need approval for funding; ITS ALREADY PAID FOR. The GOP is holding the country hostage because they hate the POTUS and the ACA..Yes, the shutdown is their fault. Once again, the ACA isnt an issue on the table they've chosen to make it about the ACA.
We will to agree to disagee however you have validated that the concensous of those on the obama train continue to perpetuate that there is no issue and the Republicans are doing this soley to spite him. Not that strong of an argument if you ask me...
People who need health care should get it. It's all about how. The GOP tactics are getting us nowhere fast, but that hasn't stopped the party who "stuck to their guns" from shutting down the government before. In fact, there have been 17 - that's right, SEVENTEEN - government shutdowns since 1976. In a lot of them, there has either been a Republican in the White House or the Dems controlled both houses of Congress. Check them all out here:
I am certain that if you ask the participants of all of those shutdowns they will have mixed feelings about the value of the action. But that didn't stop the next one from happening.
It's just part of the "sausage-making" aspect of our democratic republic form of government.
...and note that except for the last two government shutdowns (in 1995 and 1997), in the vast majority of shutdowns the Dems held both Houses; in several they held the WH and both houses; and in all they held at least ONE of the three. But nobody really remembers the 16 before 1995. Why? Because the Dems are very, VERY proficient at finger-pointing and playing the blame game. When they controlled both Houses and the WH (6 of the shutdowns), they couldn't point the finger at anybody but themselves. So those get buried and nobody remembers those. But when you have the Ging-Grinch that stole Christmas and those Nazi terrorist Tea Party affiliates, THEN you have an easy target.
Seventeen House Republicans have now indicated that they would support a “clean” continuing resolution, like the one passed by the U.S. Senate, to reopen the government. If they joined with all 200 House Democrats, it is possible that they could give majority support to such a bill without any additional Republicans — if Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) allowed an up-or-down vote.
On Tuesday, a handful of House Republicans from Democratic-leaning and swing districts endorsed the idea of ending the shutdown without the anti-Affordable Care Act poison pills they had all previously voted to include. By Wednesday afternoon, the number had risen to 17, according to a Huffington Post tally.
The Republicans abandoning their party’s line on this include Reps. Devin Nunes (CA); Mike Simpson (ID); Erik Paulsen (MN); Leonard Lance, Frank LoBiondo and Jon Runyan (NJ); Michael Grimm and Peter King (NY); Lou Barletta, Charlie Dent, Mike Fitzpatrick, Jim Gerlach, and Pat Meehan (PA); and Randy Forbes, Scott Rigell, Rob Wittman, and Frank Wolf (VA).
HMJC, thank you sir for your excellent post. I don't understand how any red blooded American can actually believe that the Progressive Democrats aren't primarily responsible for the government shutdown. When Obamacare was by Democrat Super Majorities in the House on March 23rd 2010 the Democrats had 255 seats and it passed with a 218 count partisan vote all Democrats and no Republicans because the legislation was so Radical that they had to conduct back door deals such as the Louisiana Purchase and the Corn Husker Kick Back to get it through even though the Community Organizer promised that the process would be transparent and on C-Span. The Republicans introduced HR 3400 a Superior Free Market Plan In July 2009 and Nancy Pelosi sent it straight to committee and the bill died, where were you then PN advocating for compromise? Scott Brown won Ted Kennedy's seat in Masschusetts in January 2010 and stopped the filibuster proof Senate but Obama the Great compromiser allowed Nancy Pelosi and the House to "Deem and Pass" the Senate initial vote for passage in December 2009. So let's get to the cut and chase and say after Obama and the Democrats did this to Republicans when they had no power, isn't it a very legitimate case that Obama and Reid should have at least took the 3rd Republican option of funding the government and delaying the "Individual Mandate" Since the American people kept them in charge of the purse strings and Obama himself has delayed the "Employer Mandate" for a year and given numerous exceptions to his minions?
PN, God don't like hypocrisy and I'm 100% positive that the deity expects us to treat everyone the same by the rules on the books. It seems to me that you let emotion and party affiliation guide you more than right vs wrong in regards to politics. Even skin color. It befuddles me how decent people can blindly follow an individual with no leadership qualities whatsoever regardless of their skin color. Instead of bringing the country together he has divided it even more :(
Funky, your last sentence is what we really need to look at. From when he started with "Yes We Can" and "Change you can Count On" to date his tenure has been a train wreck. He has continually chosen to address special interest issues and demographics; not the country as a whole. His policies time after time applied to a section or walk of life; not all of America. Because of this he is directly responsible for the wedge he has driven between the middle of his country. His actions and policies have caused deep resentment and pitted America against itself. The whole black thing is BS; if he was truly leading this country and looking out for the best interest of the entire country that ship sails everytime. In his case when he speaks to America, we don't trust him nor do we feel polarized by our leader. At the end of the day, I do not see the Change We Could Count On, all I see is my change continuing to disappear of being distributed so everyone has some of my change. At this point in time we are not the UNITED States of America.