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How long ago has it been that it was confirmed that chemical weapons were used in Syria? What did obama state over a year ago about a "red line" being crossed? Now it appears that chemical weapons have been used again... This is a hard one as I am in no hurry to put our troops back in harms way. It is just ironic that we bombed the heck out of Libya for a lot less... Over 70,000 people have died in Syria to date. The reality is one, we don't have a whole lot of love for Syria to begin with and two, they have nothing we want. I just feel it becomes a morale issue and as usual with obama, a backbone issue. We are back to the same old "stop or I will say stop again" diplomacy. He made it "clear" that some type of response would occur. I realize that we have sent some types of aid but the question being, if it is validated that chemical weapons were used, where do we go from here? Thoughts


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JimmyMack commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 16:44 PM

I think it will be a multi-national strike against Assad, not just the U.S.

Sheran commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 17:14 PM

Well, here's something else to ponder.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/...

PoliticsNation commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 19:36 PM

Fox news....Fox and the GOP blame the POTUS for anything that goes wrong in this country. The hate is so deep they even blame the POTUS for Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.inquisitr.com/916328/louis...

Sheran commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 20:51 PM

WOW! PN, how many family members are you trying to keep on WELFARE?

PoliticsNation commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 22:09 PM

@Sheran,not the place for personal attacks so stay focused and professional.I was always taught when a person uses profanity or attacks you personally, they feel defeated. I'm sorry you feel the need to attack me on personal level. I'm glad, God has changed me and I don't feel the need to get revenge.

Sheran commented on Thursday, Aug 22, 2013 at 23:00 PM

I'm not attacking you... I ask you a question.

HMJC commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 08:10 AM

JM, I agree with the multi-national approach and do not think it should be a U.S. only endeavor. My frustration as an Old Soldier is having the means to stop the slaughter of innocents but we stand by and do basically nothing due to the politics of the situation. PN, not blaming obama, not his fault. His lack of resolve and continued failure to follow through with his "bold" statements and lack of credible action is his fault. His tenure as commander and chief has resulted in the majority of the world not being too worried if we make a threat of action. By the time we decide to act it if we even do, the situation is over or so seriously deteriated that the level of involvement needed is tenfold. At the end of the day obama like the rest of the democratic party does not have the resolve to make the difficult choices when it counts.

pjkardeen commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:20 AM

You should read this article that covers the news in that region of the world. They don't exacly show us the who truth in the US media. Or as I call them, The Lamestream Media! It may change your mind on what actually took place and what the US is really soing in that region.

http://www.debka.com/article/23206/Re...

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Well pjkardeen, or whoever you are, I nominate YOU to be this here blogosphere's PRESS SECRETARY so you can keep us informed about what the REAL NEWS IS. I am sure you must be qualified, even if you have chosen to hide any and all of your prestigious credentials and diplomas bestowed upon you by reputable schools of journalism, by not putting them in your profile.

For now...I'm just gonna call ya...Deep Throat. You are ok wid that ain't ya Cowboy?

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Yes - pjk: These actions follow a trend. I posted a link awhile back in which the author - from information provided on "deep background" - said that the REAL secret of the BENGHAZI fiasco was that we (as in the U.S. State Department and Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton) were trying to arm the Libyan rebels "on the cheap," and that was the operation that we were trying to cover up. Here it is again:

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-a...

Syria...Libya....Egypt...through covert actions alone, our real "foreign policy" in those countries has devolved to "no boots on the ground" and try to "speak softly and carry a limp wrist." While this keeps us out of future Vietnams and Afghanistans, it destroys our credibility with people who only understand raw power. And it reduces us to scurrying around like cockroaches when our real activities are discovered.

In the Middle East - power perceived is NOT power achieved. You have to actually openly demonstrate strength, determination, and perseverance to attain and maintain respect there.

HMJC commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:11 PM

President Barack Obama said reports of a possible chemical weapons attack in Syria this week signal "a big event of grave concern" and said he has shortened the time frame for the U.S. to decide whether it will act to halt the bloodshed in the country.

The last time he spoke of "action" was over a year ago; I wonder what a shortened timeline looks like? Now I will say obama is correct that we cannot act without UN and our allies being on board however...they have been on board for some time. As it stands right now boots on the ground and a no fly zone are not being considered. No boots on the ground I agree with but I think a no fly fly zone I think is a viable coarse of action.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:48 PM

It's almost as if he is following the old maxim:

If you ignore a problem long enough it will go away.

Mr. Obama made a big mistake when he failed to take decisive action after it was proven conclusively that his "line in the sand" re: chemical weapons had been crossed. My hunch is that there are numerous covert operations ongoing - as well as drone monitoring - but in the public foreign affairs discourse, he has made us look like fools by his apparent non-action.

The lesson is: when you say you are going to do something in response to a "line being crossed," YOU MUST FOLLOW THROUGH. Otherwise you are seen as a paper tiger and a blowhard. The President is undermining what foreign credibility we have left.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 13:09 PM

How does ANYONE here KNOW for sure that BHO IS NOT FOLLOWING THROUGH??? I do not seem to recall a daily press release on how we were zeroing in OSAMA?

Once there is INTERNATIONALLY confirmation of the facts of chemical war, look for special ops info to come out, maybe some Cruise Missles and Drone strikes.

But the important News right now is getting the female hormone shots to Specialist Manning. SHE needs them.

Relax fellas, you won't have OBAMA to kick around much longer. Soon y'all can all go mozy on up to your Tea Party POTUS. I'm told by a reputable source that all this negative stuff again BHO and the DEMS is all smoke, don't you know. My source tells me none of this harsh horse ka-ka is relevant to the 2016 election.

So, it looks like we just be twiddling our thumbs here.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 18:10 PM

Yes - it DOES look like Mr. Obama be twidling his thumbs here. As I recall, he made his "line in the sand" declaration BEFORE the election. And we have had at least two "confirmations" by the international community that chemical weapons WERE used. The promised action is LONG overdue. And no - covert action or drone strikes don't meet the test unless high-value targets are hit and we go public to accept responsibility.

The whole world and - more importantly - our adversaries are waiting for us to put our money where our mouth is. If Mr. Obama doesn't intend to make good on his threats - for the good of this country - he should just shut up.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 18:24 PM

(But Jimmy: I do like your Richard Milhouse Nixon "kick around" reference. Here are a couple of articles which highlight numerous similarities:

http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/Oba...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/timothy...

But as to "won't have Obama to kick around much longer" - I don't think we can consider close to THREE AND A HALF YEARS "not much longer." We tend to forget that he took the oath for his second term only eight months ago. Based on the way things have gone in this country and all the Obama Scandals, it DOES seem like it's been be a whole lot longer. But I think Mr. Obama will be around LONG ENOUGH to be held accountable for his actions - or lack thereof - as President. Time tends not to fly when things aren't going well.)

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 18:40 PM

yea...I guess you be right Sebe..All the more reasons for the GOP should win in walk in a 2016. All talk and no Hat, right?

PAY ATTENTION HERE: U.S. Cruise missles are being prepared to launch, Drones are being armed.

I am so very glad to see so much compassion coming from the right.

And they say, we Liberals are the ones with the bleeding hearts!

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 23, 2013 at 21:18 PM

Compassion? For who - Mr. Obama? I think he deserves as much compassion as the Dems gave Dubya and Romney.

For the GOP to win, they have to have a candidate who can energize Republicans and Independents. The only one I see doing that is Jeb Bush, but he has too much baggage. That's why when you handicap 2016, you have to give the odds to the Dems.

timeontarget commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 07:30 AM

The plantation mentality has taken over much of our government at all levels.

The non productive but dependant (on the taxpayers) liberals have severely weakened this once great nation.

They are much like termites.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:12 AM

I disagree Sebe. However your comments has caused the fool Tot, Mr.P, to rise to the occasion and bash Liberals again. I warned you in the blog above this one Mr. P, that your failure to master specificity by blaming whole groups of people, especially Liberals, is putting you in a hole of your own making.

I am tired of your mass blame game and am giving you fair warning here: You keep it up and you will find yourself much better off driving that gas guzzling Winnebago that sits in your backyard.

You, Mr. P., are an idiot with a PC.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 09:45 AM

Mr. P. (TOT)your statement: "the non productive but dependent liberals have severely weakened this once great nation" is a blatant display of group think ignorance. Yet you are unaware of this fact.

You cannot master specifics so you lamely resort to generalities. By so doing Mr.P. you INVALIDATE the individual nature of many.

Such a display of ignorance cannot be allowed to stand without challenge.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:19 PM

All I can say is:

Welcome back, TOT. The discussion needs some stimulation.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Ah my friend Sebe the Independent. You are surely at least 90% Independent. You've conceded your "conservative tendencies" to these pages and they have been made note.

However, via your comment above, your bleeding heart liberalism is showing by welcoming poor defenseless TOT back into the fray. How sweetly compassionate of you. I do declare.

However, your rowdy conservatism seems enthralled with this blog "needin some stimulation" no matter the tenor it has now assumed. You desire to see more of this type of 'discussion' is anything BUT liberal. Your desire is more akin to a redneck such as Tot enjoying watching a pit bull dog fight.

Now, Sebe, my rapidly becoming tenuous friend, I am kindly asking you to step aside and remove yourself from the center of the oncoming storm between TOT and myself.

This is not a time for you to effect d├ętente.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 14:16 PM

Yes it is.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 14:24 PM

...but back to the basic blog - it appears that we MAY be getting ready to do something:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/...

timeontarget commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 15:46 PM

JM if you feel froggy,,,,,then jump.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 15:51 PM

Well Mr. Padrick, you keep a clean lawn, but your mind is in the gutter.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 15:54 PM

rrrrrrrrrrrrriiibittttttttttt!!!!

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 24, 2013 at 16:23 PM

RE Sebe and the link you posted above. I expect strategic drone strikes, some cruise missile strikes on some of Assads airfield runways to stop the jets, along with some special opps to take out some of his generals and a few Hezbollas.

timeontarget commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 07:00 AM

HMJC, I too am in no hurry to put our troops back in harm's way.

A few weeks ago Larry Peterson wrote a very interesting piece which was published in the Savannah Morning News.

Peterson's column entitled, America has lost it's way on foreign policy, was published Aug 3, 2013.

I urge all who read this to go back and read Mr Peterson's article as it makes a clear argument against us trying to be the world police.

I agree with Mr Peterson entirely.

timeontarget commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 07:12 AM

"John Quincey Adams urged America to be the well wished of Liberty and Independence everywhere, but the custodian only of it's own."

Adams our sixth president, offered that council in 1821, it's still good advise.

Above taken from Larry Peterson Aug 3, 2013 Savannah Morning News.

We cannot continue to be the world police.

Our well intentioned efforts to police the world have brought us scorn and hatred from around the world.

That is why we experienced 911 and the death and destruction which came with it.

Simply my opinion.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 10:58 AM

"RE Sebe and the link you posted above. I expect strategic drone strikes, some cruise missile strikes on some of Assads airfield runways to stop the jets, along with some special opps to take out some of his generals and a few Hezbollas."

It's percolating. I don't think we can ignore (or appear to ignore) the situation much longer. Now Assad's people are claiming the "rebels" used the chemical weapons. Seems like they ought to be able to pin down the users by who the VICTIMS are.

It's always tricky doing anything in the "Middle East," which probably explains why it has taken so long for us to begin to engage (if that's what we're really doing). But from a world leadership standpoint, I don't think we can continue the appearance of sitting on our hands while people are being gassed.

JimmyMack commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Yes it is percolating alright. The only thing keeping the upcoming degradation of Assad's ability to make war is getting Russia on board. The European countries are on board. Russia should realize that Syria's use of chemical weapons is something that is also in their best interests to put a stop to.

As a former military man, I am sure that you know we need to prepare for any and all contingencies that might come into play once we hit Syria. There are various ominous scenarios that we need to think thru and how we would respond to them.

timeontarget commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 16:26 PM

"As a former military man"

JM please explain.

JimmyMack commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 17:31 PM

I was referring to Sebe, who honorably served his country and one who possesses insight into what goes on before a war like decision is made.

My response should be obvious to most.

But then again, Mr. Padrick what is obvious to most represents a conundrum to you.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 25, 2013 at 19:09 PM
HMJC commented on Monday, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:34 AM

At the risk of being filppant I would not include Russia as point of my decsion making process. Frankly this another opportuity to thumb our nose at Putin and do some good in the process. The underlying stench of this is Russia is feeding Assad's war machine. As for obama, if you say you are going to do something, do it. You have zero credibilty in the world and especially in the middle east. His lack of action contiunes to embolded action against the U.S. and it is time for a reminder who really is the big boy in town. A stark reality is some regimes understand one thing; power, force, and military superiorty. Assad needs a dose of all three.

sebekm commented on Monday, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:55 PM

He does seem to be getting off the dime. There is also something to be said about taking MEANINGFUL action. I've heard a lot of talk today about "surgical" strikes against Assad regime targets. If the delay has been to accumulate intelligence to enable those "surgical" strikes to hit Assad's chem weapons production facilities, stockpiles, field warehouses, and troops armed with chem weapons - then I say it was a "good" delay. If the delay has been for procrastination based on indecisiveness (which is always a risk with a Democratic administration), then it has been a "bad" delay.

I heard a radio spot this morning which said it has been more than a year since the President's "line in the sand" speech; and that we have at least two confirmed chem weapons uses by the Assad regime. If we couldn't be sure that they actually were the perps in the first use - then the delay was probably justified. But it appears that "confidence is high" on the second use, which triggered the movement of warships and going public with potential strike plans.

HMJC commented on Monday, Aug 26, 2013 at 13:29 PM

Ironically Syria's defense minister said any attack by the U.S. or others woud fail and would cause world unrest and strife. Basically we have Syria saying "bring it" because they still think at the end of the day we will not do anything credible. Still a hard nut to crack admittedly 8 years there was not a country in the world that would "invite" the U.S. to "bring it". Russia is trying to make this akin to the Iraq invasion but like I said; I think uncle Victor is making plenty of money off of the Syrian conflict and has not alluded to any human interest issues in its statements with the exception of a couple of vauge snipets. Leaders make the hard choices and stand by them and offer no appoligies for their actions or their countrymen. It would be nice to have a Leafer on our side.


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