We are on dangerous terrain when government picks winners and losers in the economy by subsidizing favored products and industries,” Koch wrote. He further complained that government is currently “subsidizing and mandating politically favored products in the energy sector,” singling out “solar, wind and biofuels” for examples of sectors currently being helped out.
But not a word about oil and gas can be found in Koch’s litany of complaints. Could this be because Koch Industries, of which Koch is chairman and CEO, was originally and is still primarily an oil-refining and pipeline company, though it has also diversified into such fields as paper, asphalt, chemicals, cattle ranches, commodity trading, and buying elections? A study by the Environmental Law Institute has tallied the amount of U.S. subsidies to the fossil fuel industry between 2002 and 2008 at roughly $72 billion. Earlier this year, President Obama called for ending the subsidies to oil companies, but a bill by Senator Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) to do just that failed to muster the 60 votes required to surmount the cloture barrier this summer (it got 51 votes). Though Koch Industries spent more than $50 million on its lobbying efforts in Washington from 2006 and 2011, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, there’ s been no report of it lobbying for Menendez’s bill to end the government’s subsidy to the oil industry.
Koch’s hypocrisy isn’t his alone. It epitomizes the double standard of right-wing opponents of industrial policy who neglect to note all the industrial policies that benefit either their own industries (if they’re oil men, bankers, military contractors, and so on) or the industries that write them checks (if they’re politicians who are funded by oil men, bankers, military contractors, and so on). The oil depletion allowance is industrial policy, lowering the tax bills of such behemoths as Exxon-Mobil at a time when public needs and the deficit are soaring. The exclusion of derivatives from regulation, which banks insisted on over the cautionary objections of Clinton administration Commodities Futures Trading Commission chief Brooksley Born, was industrial policy, benefiting the banks while imperiling, and eventually bringing down, the entire economy. Congressional appropriations for military hardware that the Pentagon neither wants nor needs is industrial policy. The fact that 27 nations have treaties with the U.S. that enable their residents to avoid any U.S. taxation of their casino winnings is industrial policy that brings in millions, if not billions, in high-roller business to such GOP mega-donors as Sheldon Adelson and Steve Wynn. You get the picture.
So essentially it sounds like who do you want to believe... Jack Kingstons article in the CC today posed a different perspective. I am not sure how this turned into big buisness is the root of the welfare culture. The bottom line is if Welfare was such a bad deal there would be less people on it. Welfare is not the only recourse all receipiants can turn to. Like it or not in some states it is more lucrative to stay in the program as opossesed to doing what you have to do to get by. Even in the Army as a young Soldier I would work part time jobs to make ends meet and provide for my Family. Not everyone is a victom.
My son worked three jobs at times to remain self-sufficient. It's all a matter of cultural indoctrination and upbringing. If one is RAISED on the dole, one is more likely to accept BEING on the dole. The Dems still have to answer for their actions in doing all they can to perpetuate a permanent underclass which buys their propaganda and keeps them in power.
food stamps in Georgia are $594.00 a month. you can get them when on disability. it depends on how much you get. for a family of 4 you can make $17,000 a year and qualify for the full amount. you also can live in subsidized housing for as little as $20.00 a month. most that get these amounts are single with 3 kids. they usually have their "baby daddy" giving them some money too. so there is more money in it then you posted above. as far as disability payment, cut n paste from ssi site
SSI amounts for 2013
The monthly maximum Federal amounts for 2013 are $710 for an eligible individual, $1,066 for an eligible individual with an eligible spouse, and $356 for an essential person.
In GA you cannot get money for an "essential person" because Federal benefits are cafeteria style which a state can chose which ones they want to participate in. I might also add that there are more qualifications that net income amount which can render you ineligible.
The bottom line here folks is there is room for abuse and there is proven cases of abuse. If you recall a little while back about the reporter who went undercover and secured 3 "obamaphones" with an unapproved food stamp application. I am still confused why some are afraid to admit that some people use and abuse the system at the taxpayers expense.
I readily admit it HMJC but don't know how to stop it without it negatively impacting those who do need it. I just sigh and remind myself that you can't help the needy without helping the greedy.
if you want to see abuse locally go to raintree, regency, pineland square, or north gate apartments and see what types of cars are parked there. i know not everyone is abusing the system. but you can see some of the abuse for yourself if you don't believe it's going on here.
Up2, You right about the quandry that exists. I believe it can be managed however, it will have to be proporly resourced so as to actually be able to screen and follow up on receipients to verify initial enrollment and continued eligibility. I think an intresting approach would be that the welfare system could have a "job bank system" They could work collectively with the unemployment agency and when an applicant came in they would be given the location of their new job. This would have to be consistent with their new benifit or they would work and recive a reduced benifit but somehow tailor the program to incentivize that those who work receive enhanced benifits.
I will say HMJC, here in GA there is regular recertification for benefits and people on welfare, with some exceptions, are required to be actively looking for employment.
but they don't verify that they are looking for work. i had a woman come in once and give me her work form and asked me to fill it out for her. when i asked if she had filled out a application she said "im not looking to work, i just need this to get my check"
There you go. I'm sure that isn't an isolated incident. There are too many ways to cheat and too many inclined to cheat.
They can only cheat if employers help them cheat. DFCS has so much on its plate with massive cut backs for the last six years that it doesn't have the resources to check behind everyone to see if they are trying to work. That's where the community comes in. Don't fill out those forms unless they have done what that paper has said they were suppose to do. IF you do, you're as big a cheat as they are.
i called DFCS, they said they couldn't do anything about it. i even had one come in once that presented them self very good and acted like they wanted to work. i filled it out and marked hired on there form. and gave her a start day. she ripped up her form and threw it in the trash, but didn't show up to work the next day either. they come up with some creative ways to get by it too. had one put down needed pay of $85.00 per hour. i asked them about it and they said it was correct. in 20 years in hinesville i had only 2 people from welfare apply and really work out good. most that start working quit when they find out they are going to cut their other check
the main problem is not that employers help them. it's that they call up and ask if your hiring, then ask who they need to speak to when they get there. they then fill out the forms themselves with the name they were giving.
Check out the article in Sunday's Savannah Morning News and it will open your eyes to just how well folks on welfare live. Take a close look at how much their yearly benefits are.