I heard a great sermon Sunday and it really touched my heart. The pastor spoke about the woman that was brought before Jesus after she was caught in the act of adultery. Jesus never denied that what she did was wrong...the pastor put it like this...you can stone her...but before you do..You are without sin cast the stones...when he looked up the accusers were gone and she was standing alone. I don't condone homosexuality but I'm not here to mistreat people or judge them...The word also says no sin is greater than the other..so that little white lie, the hate someone holds in their heart, pride, not helping the poor, judging someone because of the color of their skin (respect of persons) and etc; they carry the same weight has homosexuality...I don't condone it nor do will I judge..
Exactly PN. This is what the Pope said: "If someone is gay and searches for the Lord and has goodwill, who am I to judge?" asked the Pope. "We shouldn't marginalize people for this. They MUST be integrated into society."
The Pope's tone indicated an emphasis on a church that is more inclusive and merciful rather than critical and disciplinary.
Go and sin no more....that's what he said... He's saying that to the liar, cheater, deceiver, back biter judge mental, unforgiven person, and the list goes on.....I don't have a heaven or hell to put anyone in. The man above has the final say. A judgmental person with no love in their heart will find themselves on the same road ....I don't condone it but I know I need to sweep around my own front door before I sweep around someone else...
The Catholic Church does not say that being homosexual is a sin. All humans are tempted by different temptations. In other words...what turns you on may not turn me on. The teaching is that the ACT of homosexuality is a sin. Sex outside of marriage (adultery) is a sin. The Catholic Church believes that marriage is only recognized by God when it is between a man and a woman. Therefore,homosexual sex is a sin. The Catholic Church does not refuse homosexuals from serving as priests. You CAN be gay and not ACT on it. Being tempted with homosexuality is no different than the multitudes of other temptations we deal with such as greed, adultery, violence..etc.
Good conversation Jimmy...thanks for starting this blog.
Thanks Eyes. I myself, do know that Jesus as a Jew, wanted to Widen the circle by bringing forth the Good News of salvation to gentiles and others,and not Restrict or tighten the circle thru exclusion.
Go and sin no more.
Forgiveness is not avaliable for pre-mediated sin.
You may sin and ask forgiveness , if done so sincerely you will certainly be forgiven instantly.
Then you are commanded to go and sin no more.
If you in fact repeat the sinful act then you must suffer the consequence.
I don't want to pass judgement and I know that I in fact could be wrong.
If I'm wrong so be it.
Just my position.
What Eyes said. Let me be clear, I am not bashing any homosexual. The Bible speaks plainly that ALL sexual misconduct is a sin and equal in the eyes of God. I do find it interesting that we often wink at conduct that is clearly not in accordance with the teachings of the Bible but get our panties in a wad over homosexuality.
Maybe I should have said being gay? When I said "being homosexual", I did not mean acting on it. I meant having same sex desires. Sorry for any confusion.
Outside of this forum, there is no difference. I think they are trying to distinguish between a practicing homosexual and a celibate one.
Hello Sebe: I read the link you posted on Victor J. Adamson. It seems that he describes himself as a "reformed homosexual" and that Homosexuality is a lifestyle of CHOICE, and that one can change from the homosexual lifestyle thru searching for Jesus. Now I ain't got no quarrel with Jesus on this, cause all things are possible that come unto Him. I DO believe that is possible.
However, the problem I have with Victor J. Adamson which is a pseudonym for the real author, is his coming right out of the gate saying Homosexuality is a CHOICE to which I have a fundamental disagreement.
To use Adamson's reasoning and taking it further: one is not born to be a pedophile, transgendered or bi-sexual. He views these conditions as life CHOICES!!! Which is some cases may be true. But not entirely is it true.
Adamson's view is the same one held by
Michelle Bachman and her husband who opened a Clinic to "treat" homosexuals and "convert" or cure them of their sexual disposition. Now ya gotta know Sebe what I think about the Bachman's claim to be able to 'cure' homosexuality. That is a load of rubbish.
We, all fall short of the mark set by Jesus. ALL of us do. WE ALL SIN. Many of us do so repeatedly.
From what I was able to find about Adamson, he is a writer, producer and filmmaker and grew up a guilt ridden homosexual who found 'release from the homosexual lifestyle' through prayer and a desire to change. Fine. Now THAT was his choice.
I, on the other hand believe that mankind is born genetically predisposed to their sexual orientation. A view diametrically opposed to Adamson.
I was with you JM until you mentioned pedophiles. Then you lost me.
I would like to address Seb's position that thoughts and desires aren't sinful. I point to Matt 5:27-28, " “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." So thoughts and desires are sinful. Not the fleeing thoughts and temptations that we have during the day but the thoughts we dwell on. I might see a $20 that someone dropped and be momentarily temped to pocket it. I immediately dismiss it and return the cash. That isn't a sin. But what if I am an alcoholic and as one I want a drink. The want of the drink is not a sin but if I were to dwell on it, then it would be sinful. This is because the more you dwell on a thought, the more likely you are to act on it.
HI UP2. You sure about the pedophiles? Everything I have ever seen in the data show Pedophilia to be an arrested sexual development in such people. Wait a minute...I think I just made your argument!!! They can be born hetero or Homosexual but somewhere during their development something alters their sexual proclivities. Is that the way you see it?
I seem to recall some studies involving convicted Pedophiles being evaluated regarding sexual arousal and being shown pictures of adults and children in various poses of being clothed or unclothed. When the imprisoned pedophile was monitored as being aroused by pictures of children and not adults they were given some sort of electro shock.(discomfort)
When tested months later, the same group were tested showing no change in their sexual arousal concerning children.
Maybe they did not get the proper amount of electric jolt to help reshape more appropriate sexual response or lack thereof.
"Homosexual desires, however, are not in themselves sinful. People are subject to a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out."
Lol, Seb. Isn't that what I said? You just said it better than I could.
Sebe: Are you saying that you are ok with homosexual marriage as long as they do not express their love thru sex with their monogamous partner?
What about kissing and heavy petting sans oral and anal sex?
So, it is, I guess the burden of those that are homosexual to carry the cross of abstention from homosexual acts thru out their lives. Such as Gay Catholic Priests in order to enter The Kingdom of God.(?)
Am I correct about this?
As mere humans, we are unable to say who may enter the Kingdom of God. I know my Savior to be merciful.
I do also, Eyes. And as I recall from the Scriptures is that the ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven is to SIN against the Holy Spirit.
God's grace is many times undeserved.