This is foreteling of the white/black conservative tidal wave that is a commin. its a comin'.
See ebreytme we's take two steps forward,,, we must, don't ya know, gets prepared to take that one step backwards.
That particular civil rights Train is ALWAYS ON TIME.
Well let me be the first to get the wave moving. Everything the president said, is understandable, I can see that blacks would look at this and all issues through the eyes of being black, based on their experiences and history. Just as I look at issues through the eyes of a white 50 year old man raised in the south from a retired military family. But the president also said looking at it from this stance...doesn't go away. Why doesn't it? At one time blacks were discriminated against flagrantly and shown racial prejudice. But my goodness we have a black president, we have a majority of black leaders locally in many areas including Hinesville. We have blacks who are key leaders in just about every notable position from the Supreme Court to every local government. When are these "glasses" of racial prejudice ever taken off. I as a white male can say that I have been flagrantly discriminated against based on my race and sex, in both my private life but also in regards to career goals in the past. This discrimination for white males has come in the form of quotas, set-asides, and affirmative action programs. Fortunately many of these discriminatory governmental laws have been outlawed by the courts; just as discrimination based on race or sex has been outlawed. It is sad that race is still such an issue in our country, but it is. All we need to do is look at the Paula Deen incident and now the Martin/Zimmerman case and we see how we are digressing, as a result of race constantly being throw out to the fore front of issues. But unfortunately the ones who usually are hollering race the loudest, are those who claim that they want racial harmony, but their actions show just the opposite. I just don't know anymore, what to say or do, on issues such as this, because usually they are so polarizing. Our country as a whole is polarized, to extent that the only time we are truly the "United" States of America, is when an incident such as 9/11 or the Boston Bombing takes place. I believe that open dialogue is always the best place to start, but unfortunately most people will not discuss race, unless they are in the friendly confines of those who agree with them. At least that is the way I "view" it through the eyes of a 50 year old white male raised in SE Georgia from a retired military family.
I think the President was absolutely correct to make this speech and promote the dialogue on this issue. For me, that shows LEADERSHIP -which this country needs in many areas of government.
MLC makes some great points. "Race relations" have come a hell of a long way since the days when I was in the military and we attended seminars to learn about "gas heads" and "soul food." We DO have a black president and many black leaders in government at all levels; and last time I checked - proportionally - blacks are prominently represented throughout such "big money" professions as the entertainment industry and pro sports (here in come cases overwhelmingly disproportionae representation based on the percentage of the population). This is undeniable "progress" from the way things were even 50 years ago.
It is human nature to always want "more" - but that's not what is at play here in the Zimmerman case. IMHO - this was a case that HAD to be brought - whether there was enough evidence to convict (or even try the case) or not. In some instances, public outcry is so great that you just bite the bullet (if you are the prosecution); take your lumps; and lose. I'm sure they thought that maybe we MIGHT get a conviction. But in my experience when you are trying a probable loser, you know it. But when the President of the United States says if he had a son he would have looked like the victim, that's a pretty powerful impetus to say: "damn the torpedoes" and go full speed ahead with the prosecution.
Now that the criminal case was lost and a significant proportion of the population believes "we wuz robbed" by the verdict, you still have issues on the table that you MUST try to resolve. Discussion, demonstration, protest, outrage, anger - all actions and emotions that are center stage and simmering. You can't let them boil over. The President was absolutely correct to hit this one head-on - and promote the national dialogue.
I've said in other blogs - as have numerous legal "experts" - that if they bring a federal hate crime action against Zimmerman, they'll probably get the same result. And whether the Martins go civil against Zimmerman, there are problems there, too - and then you need the "right" jury. So a national dialogue - led by this particular President - will go a long way toward fostering understanding and ensuring that emotions don't "boil over" to the detriment of our society as a whole.
the martins wont go for a civil trial, if they do they will get charged for child abandonment for kicking him out as a minor. not to mention a judge wont allow it due to martin was "in the commission of a crime" when he was killed.
Where are you getting all of your information from? Now Trayvon Martin was in the commission of a crime when he was shot, and killed? What was the crime?
For George Zimmerman
"A Man Tormented By Guilt Of Murder Will Be A Fugitive Until Death. Let No One Support Him"
"Do Not Take Revenge My Dear Friends, But Leave Room For GOD'S Wrath. For It Is Written It Is Mine To Avenge. I Will Repay."
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
NIV Matthew 7: 1-2
I am of the mind that help from a higher power is definitely needed on this race issue because as imperfect humans we do not seem capable of solving it.
Jimmy: Your buddy Ronald Reagan said it best - to the effect that (only) when we are united as the HUMAN race against a common foe will our superficial differences disappear. As long as there is "diversity," there will be disharmony. We can only hope to minimize it.
No need for Zimmerman to be judge by anyone. He has created that all by himself. I have ask this question several times already. Zimmernan, by a court of competent jurisdiction (per-say) is a free man. But in the reality of it all, is he really free?
What he has done has turned is family life, and his life in indefinite turmoil and torment. He is a Fugutive from himself. His parents have immediately left their home in Orlando, Florida and are living in Hotels. He (George Zimmermam) is into hiding to the point that his parents are too afraid to call him. No internet, no phone calls to him, no commumications to him at all, for they believe that something imminent may happen to all of them.
He who lives by the sword, often dies by the sword.
Friday was another sad day in America when it comes to racial harmony, a Presidents job is to bring clarity to the situation for all Americans and Obama was expected to transcend the racial divide during his presidency; however he has continued to divide the country by dropping down the race card for the 3rd time in 5 years. “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago” OK, let’s analyze that statement in actual time , Barack Obama would have been a 16 year old junior at Punahou a private school in Honolulu, Hawaii. So no, he couldn’t have been Trayvon 35 years ago and neither could I because I would have out run my stalker and went home instead of confronting them. If the President cared about race relations he would conducted his own research and a came to the same conclusion as his Harvard Professor, Charles Oglebee from his analysis of the trial on the Charlie Rose show. Obama could have been a true leader for all, instead of succumbing to political pressure and continue to fan the flames.
like common sense said George would be found guilty. i called it from the beginning before the race baiters started. who lacked it there?
Funky: Regarding your statement above - Travis Smiley agrees. He thinks the President's comments were "weak as Kool Aid" and that Mr. Obama hasn't gone far enough in promoting the discussion on racial issues in this country. Specifically - according to Smiley:
*"On this issue, you cannot lead from behind. What’s lacking in this moment is moral leadership."
*"Smiley also argued that there is no evidence that Obama has tried to have the conversation about race in America, and questioned why he was able to take leadership on the issue of gay rights, but not on race."
I've said all along that this President seems reluctant to lead ON ANYTHING - and when he does it's "from behind." That's a safe place to be when you need political cover, but it is no place to be if you actually want to lead on something.
I rarely agree with Travis Smiley, but in this case, I think he is spot on.
"Funky: Regarding your statement above - Travis Smiley agrees. He thinks the President's comments were "weak as Kool Aid" and that Mr. Obama hasn't gone far enough in promoting the discussion on racial issues in this country. Specifically - according to Smiley:"
What do you suggest? I believe the President has addressed the issue loudly, and clearly.
I suggest that Travis Smiley believes that the President - on this issue - leads from behind and especially lacks moral leadership on the issue. Further, Smiley said he sees no evidence that the President has even TRIED to have a conversation on race in America, at least not in the way he has supported and promoted homosexual "rights." I pointed this out because I see common ground and parallels between Funky's comments and those of Travis Smiley - who IMHO in no way could be considered a black "conservative.
I have said many times on these blog pages that I wished the President would LEAD from the front on many issues - in particular domestic/economy - rather than seeming to let surrogates or "nature" take their course. But even Smiley agrees with me - this President wants to lead from behind. When you do that, you always have to be reactive - but you have a lot more political cover if things go wrong. I prefer a President who gets out in front of the issues and tells the country "this is the way were going to tackle this problem" - on all issues across the board. President Obama cherry-picks issues to champion - and even then he always seems to be catching up with the national dialogue or current events when he does so.
Well I abd a dew others disagree witj Tavis Smiley. The President felt the need to speak it and was not pushed by anyone to do so. The President spoke on the issue at hand clearly.
I don't disagree with you, Sporty. I'm just pointing out that Smiley believes - as I do - that this President ought to lead more from the FRONT on issues that are important to this country. That's my main point. I was surprised to hear him say that.
Now comes a prominent black member of academia who criticizes the President and one of his surrogates on this issue. And it's Travis Smiley who is stirring things up again. In a radio interview conducted by Smiley, Princeton Professor Cornel West "attacked MSNBC host Rev. Al Sharpton for not demanding that the Department of Justice immediately charge George Zimmerman with a civil rights violation in connection with the shooting of Trayvon Martin. West insisted that Sharpton is “still on the Obama plantation,” or he would be more critical of the president and Attorney General Eric Holder."
While West's specific criticism in this instance may be misguided, the general thrust of the remarks again criticize the President and his administration for not being assertive enough in addressing important issues. I found this statement by Smiley to be particularly insighful:
"Black people now find themselves, essentially, at the mercy of an African-American attorney general to do something else.”
I've said all along that the President is not being well-served by Holder, and that I thought that Holder and Geithner were Mr. Obama's weakest first term appointees. Fortunately, Geithner has moved on, but it appears to simply be a matter of obstinacy that the President hasn't asked for Holder's resignation.
Chief, I was surprised that Tavis acknowledged a truth about Obama. I also don't understand how patriots that support him on this blogosphere will never acknowledge when he's wrong or disingenuous. No one is perfect; however to the left along with progressives he is. Where is the open mindedness individualism?
Sporty: I agree, but that doesn't mean that it is best for the country - or even more importantly - best for President Obama. I believe that Mr. Obama could be far better served by just about any other person he could pick to replace Holder.