If FL had the same gun laws as GA, GZ would have never been allowed to carry concealed* and the outcome of their "meeting" would have been drastically different. GZ might have been more hesitant in following TM.
* If you have any record of DV, even if it was not physical and 30 years ago, you cannot get a permit to carry concealed in the state of GA.
Well only if a person has been found guilty of Domestic Violence or domestice Assault that the person could never own a firearm or ammunition. In addition, if you are served with a active protective order, you can not own or be in possession of any firearms.
People will see what they want to see. The facts in this case determined the outcome. The FBI investigation disclosed no evidence of racial motivation or profiling on the part of Zimmerman. Those who portray Zimmerman as a white male do so only to create an issue.
The facts are: Zimmerman was getting his nose smashed and his head pounded into the concrete by someone who was in a physically leveraged position over him. Reports show "little Trayvon" as being 5'11" tall and about 160 pounds. These numbers are more typical of a non-obese adult male than they are of someone who is a "child." Absent the gun, the story might have been Zimmerman as the victim of an aggravated assault, manslaughter or murder.
Who would have cared - in the grand scheme of things - if that had been the case? Certainly not Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, or even President Obama - who would probably not have a son who looked like Zimmerman.
Travon Martin is dead; and Zimmerman's life is wrecked. Those are the facts. But just like the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, it's time to get over it - and not make it out to be something that it's not.
Sebekm- "and not make it out to be something that it's not"-"who would probably not have a son who looked like Zimmerman"..your comments are insensitive and lack empathy for a young man that lost his life..he wasn't armed nor did he have a weapon. Until people accept their role in racism and accept that black males are treated different-we will never move forward. Until you walk in another mans shoes be careful what you say. No one knows who was on top..the witness back-tracked and said he wasn't 100% sure and he stated that it's possible Zimmerman could have been on top. If Travon was on top he had a right to defend himself..this man followed him, picked a fight than shot his way out when he was losing...It was wrong.
You're seeing what you want to see again. My empathy or lack thereof for anybody in this case is irrelevant. The facts are that Trayvon Martin was beating the stuffings out of Zimmerman until Zimmerman shot him. If Zimmerman had stayed home - no incident. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun, no death. If Martin hadn't decided to pound the crap out of Zimmerman, he probably wouldn't have gotten shot. A lot of "if's" but a jury has to go on FACTS and not "if's."
Let's not make this out to be more than it is - that's all I'm saying. IT IS A TRAGEDY, but in the final analysis neither party was totally blameless, and in the criminal justice system you have to prove a case in order to get a conviction. I'll say it again: the District Attorney KNEW they didn't have a case in the beginning. THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PREFER CHARGES IN THE FIRST PLACE. But they caved to pressure - yes - pressure even from the President of the United States with his "looked like my son" type comment - and they brought a case. The outcome was PREDICTABLE - from a criminal justice standpoint.
Again - you can have the last word on THIS blog because I've said what I need to say. But the jury had the real last words - and they were NOT GUILTY.
Yes people see what they want to see. You see what you want to see, and I see what I want too see as well since you out it that way. While people see what Trayvon Martin was doing or sauing what Trayvon Martin should have done, I see a young teenager minding his own business doing avsolutely nothing wrong, when he was profiled by George Zimmerman, shot and killed. I see a George Zimmerman that has gotten by. Oh but I promise you that George Zimmerman wont get away with this. I am willing to bet that Geirge Zummerman is in a worst position than he was before his acquittal. He is a free man according to trial. But is he really free? That's what I see.
The FBI said he did NOT profile, and their investigation revealed no racial bias (from interviews with people who knew him) on his part. I am not saying Zimmerman is blameless, but what I am saying is that his response to that "young teenager minding his own business" when that teenager started pounding the crap out of him was SELF-DEFENSE. That's what the jury said when they applied the law to the facts and acquitted Zimmerman.
I DO NOT DISAGREE that Zimmerman's life is wrecked, and he will probably be a "hunted" man for the rest of his life. THAT IS IRRELEVANT to whether the case had sufficient facts to result in a conviction. This jury was not rigged; they were not diabolical; and they brought in the only verdict possible when they applied the law to the facts.
Just do me a favor and watch the liberal Harvard professors on Charlie Rose WHO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING.
"...watch the liberal Harvard professors on Charlie Rose WHO SAY THE EXACT SAME THING."
That is why I wish to hear the Black Conservative view regarding the question I have been asking.
The Elephant in the room fellas is RACE! And we'd best get about dealing with it. OJ and Z-Man trials are over and to deny that race in either of those trials was not an issue is crazy or are the views of a terribly misinformed individual.
"The FBI said he did NOT profile, and their investigation revealed no racial bias (from interviews with people who knew him) on his part."
The FBI are investigators, not prosecuting attorneys. The DOJ does the indicting and prosecuting.
That's fine, but they've got to have some evidence to base their prosecution on. The Harvard Professors in the Charlie Rose interview explain why a federal prosecution for a hate crime is very unlikely. And even if they do proceed, the defense will be the same as in the criminal trial, while the feds will have to prove that Zimmerman pulled the trigger BECAUSE Martin was black - and NOT in self-defense.
The indicting and the prosecuting may happen, but if so I predict the same outcome as the criminal trial: in favor of Zimmerman. Now - a civil action for wrongful death might turn out differently, but as was discussed on Charlie Rose, all of the negative stuff on Trayvon that was kept out of the crimimal trial would be fair game for exploration and sensationalization in a civil proceeding.
If people think that Trayvon was "put on trial" in the crimial proceeding, that's nothing compared to what the defense will try to do in a civil proceeding. Martin's parents will be told that this will likely occur (if they are being advised by competent counsel), and it will be a consideration as to whether they actually bring a civil case against Zimmerman.
I don't have any confidence in the civil either at this point. I have seen enough as far as these jurors. Do they really take their oath seriously? Or do they have their very own hidden agenda? What about Juror B-37? She wasted no time in attempt to sigh a book deal. The things she stated I fine very disappointing. But congratulations, she set Sanford Florida one hundred years as far as racial harmony goes and relations. Or was there ever racial harmony there. What I can see at this point is that what ever positive movement they had in racial harmony, it has been erased with this acquittal. My girlfriend lives in Orlando, Florida and she told me this morning that the racial tension is so thick, that one is afraid to say anything out of fear of starting a race war down there. Community Activist, Powerful Political figures are already down there have huge rallies.
But you know Sebe,
I don't think he will be charge after listening to all of the disheartening opinions from Legal Experts. I hope that he does. Oh how I wish that that he does get charge federally, and found guilty. Because of all of this, just know where the racial harmony stands now among the American People. This is not just about Sanford Florida, but it rings out around the nation.