Dam you are quick up2! You beat me here to spread the word about the ruling.
My take on this one is that the Supreme Court has in essense said yes to God: you can love anyone you choose to love!!!! This ruling also probably has Jerry Fallwell turning over in his grave. That particular bigoted bible thumping hell fire dam nation "preacher" was dead against same sex unions. He was on record to frequently referring to Ellen Degeneras and Ellen Degenerate. But Jerry is no longer wid us and it IS indeed a new world Charlie Brown. It is no longer just Ken and Barbie it can now be Ken and Ken or Barbie and Barbie.
I know the bigoted haters out there ain't agona warm up to this Supreme Court Decision none to soon. But they have been painting themselves in their Culture War Bunker mindset for so long that they now will either have to surrender or take another walk the plank step into oblivion by rallying behind the extremist Tea Partiers. And that mean to me in political terms, that they are headed to political demise in hell.
So, my conservative friends, get ready to see John and Johnny enjoying the same liberties as you do with your man plus woman relationships, in PDA's. Meaning public displays of affection. Yes, hand holding, kissing, hugging all done right in public before your very bigoted eyes.
So...you might as well start learning to get used to it or go crawl in that defective old school doomed life boat called the Tea Party Cruise to irrelevancy.
The ruling on Proposition 8 has been rendered - and it was a DEFERRAL. According to the summary at wsj.com:
"The court was more cautious in a second case involving California's ban on gay marriage, Proposition 8, saying it lacked jurisdiction to hear the case. But the result was likely again to benefit same-sex couples because it meant that a federal district court's ruling striking down Proposition 8 stands, clearing the way for gay marriage to resume in the nation's most-populous state.
And from an article at USATODAY.com, the broader effect of this ruling is explained:
"Gay-rights advocates such as the Human Rights Campaign didn't get everything they wanted in the court decision(s). In the challenge to California's Proposition 8 ban on gay marriage, the court ruled that the plaintiffs didn't have the standing to sue. That means the decision doesn't (as in DOES NOT) affect other states."
As a practical matter, the primary effect that the "rest of us" (i.e., NON-homosexuals) will see from the repeal of DOMA is that it will add more bodoes to the rolls of federal beneficiaries.
Just another reason for them to raise taxes.
SO, this is a day for celebration...a day to rejoice? I dont think so. SOme of our fellow bloggers seem to have no issue with same sex unions. I wonder if that would be th case if their Son or Daughter came home with their "girlfriend" in tow to proclaim you are now the proud parents of as JM would say, the new age. I am not so sure that if this issue were very close to home the same jubulation would exist. All we have done is further complicate what was once a understood issue that marriage and the building of a Family was a man and a woman. Homosexuality continues to be forced on citizens that do not suscribe to that lifestyle. Why can't someone be more interested in being know for the person you are as oppossed to who you sleep with? As these liberal policies begin to fall one by one I remind you that the fall of the Roman Empire was depravity and lack of a moral compass.
Absolutely. But all is not lost - as it rarely ever is no matter which side "wins." Just like with ObamaCare, we shall see what happens when all the ramifications of this decision are felt by the American people. This is made clear from the following analysis posted in The New York Times less than an hour ago:
"Conservative religious groups are not conceding defeat. Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, is among those who said Wednesday that the Supreme Court’s decisions had only intensified their resolve, and the movement opposed to gay marriage will fight on.
To redress the Supreme Court’s decision invalidating the Defense of Marriage Act, he said that “there are discussions going on” with members of Congress who might propose legislation at the federal level, but that “it’s too early” to say what shape that might take.
And he saw a silver lining in the court’s decision on Proposition 8 in California, because the decision was limited only to California. Mr. Perkins predicted that the pro-gay marriage forces will find it increasingly difficult to institute same-sex marriage in the states that have not yet done so.
“There are very few states left that I think are easy pickings for them,” he said. “I think they have reached a wall here. So the idea that this is inevitable was shown today that it is not. They are not going to be able to impose same-sex marriage on the nation.”
He foresees that Americans will be outraged when the fallout from the DOMA decision trickles down to the grass roots, when “children are taught morals in school that are in contradiction to their parents,” and “photographers, bakers, florists and others are forced to participate in same-sex marriages.”
“Time is not on the side of those wanting to redefine natural marriage,” Mr. Perkins said. “People are going to have time to see the consequences of this.”
Well then, HMJC, as I have said before: we must be on that express elevator to Hell, then.
The U.S. is a nation of laws not theology. Iran is a nation of Theology and not laws. That is one of the reasons why our founding fathers saw fit to allow room for all faiths within the writing of the Constitution BUT not to base it on one faith and one faith only. Pure Genius.
To Brother Sebe: You have been in TOTs corner more than you will ever admit. I have not accused him or you of murder as he has done to me and the collective liberal body. If you see more HATE in striking down a law (DOMA) that harmed and discriminated towards others rather than blaming the murder of 26 human beings ON ME then I am very sorry to say, you have got a real problem my friend, and I am very sorry to say that it is the same one Tot has.
The tidal wave of cultural change is developing into a tsunami of biblical purportions regarding antiquated civil rights, gay rights, immigration rights and soon to come cannabis rights.
Just callin em as I see em Sebe.
Just finished a book called "What In The World Is Going On Here" by Dr. David Jeremiah. I've never been one of "those guys" to talk about living in the last days, and possibly seeing Christ return. Always figured that every generation that would say that, kind of was putting their generation's problems above every other one from the past. But as I see more and more turning away from God, and what appears to be prophetic signs, I am beginning to believe that this generation may be in the final days...ever how many there are. I am at the point, where I truly wonder how much more will God, as in the Father of Jesus Christ and also the Holy Spirit, will put up with on this planet that He created to be a paradise between man and woman. Sin contaminated His perfect world, and we are seeing more and more evidence of just how sinfully contaminated our world continues to become. I know He is in control, but I also know that Satan has dominion over this sinful planet. I am so sad for my children and grandchildren, and fear what the future holds for them.
I hear ya, MLC. It’s interesting how proponents of issues like this can rationalize how their desired activity is “good” and should not be illegal or proscribed. I recall reading an article years ago written by someone who was a proponent of legalized incest. His argument went something like this:
“Wouldn’t you prefer that your son or daughter be introduced into the wonders of human sexual relations by someone who genuinely loves them and who has their best interests at heart – i.e., their mother or their father – as opposed to what happens in the back seat of a car or in some of the other “usual” locations where first sex normally occurs?
The argument continued that parents introducing their children to sex by engaging in the act itself with them would be more psychologically beneficial to their long term mental health than any other initial sexual relationship that they might have.
Laws exist not only for the protection of the individual, but also for the protection of society itself. Throughout history, we have had societies which elevated self-indulgence, self-interest, and an “anything goes” philosophy and mentality over common sense and the best interests of the society AS A WHOLE. Those are the societies which degraded, decayed, and eventually disintegrated from within.
So I see this matter as one of: “those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them” – to their significant detriment. When we devalue human life and human relationships like traditional marriage, as a society we do so at our own peril.
And - Jimmy - as far as my being in anybody's "corner" - the only corner I'm in is my own. I, too, call 'em as I see 'em - and TOT and I frequently disagree on a host of issues. But I can identify hate speech/name-calling when I see it, and this is not a matter of issues, it's a matter of verbiage and attitude. My problem with Murrelet was not with the issues. While we infrequently agreed about little, it was her verbal abuse and name-calling that got me going. The attribution of problems to one particular group - political or otherwise - as far as I'm concerned is what we all do here. To attack someone's opionions or beliefs by calling them names is when the line is crossed. My point was that your comment contained more "hate" in its verbiage and attitude than any comments I can recall by TOT. When one thinks about somebody as their own personal "road kill" as you did in reference to TOT - in an effort to totally totally devalue their opinions and beliefs - you've crossed the line of toleration as far as I'm concerned.
...and let me be perfectly clear where I stand on homosexual "marriage":
I have absolutely no problem with people "loving whoever they want" and calling those relationships "civil unions" or some other such term. Just don't elevate them to the status of a "marriage." To do so degrades traditional marriage between a man and a woman, and sets up our society with problems (particularly in child-rearing) that we can just as soon do without. Homosexual unions NEVER will comprise the majority of "unions" in this country (or in this world for that matter), and based upon that fact alone they will - as will homosexuality itself - always be ABNORMAL.
I will say this much (and it's not directed at anyone in particular). I think it's funny that people are making a big deal out of gay marriages citing that marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman. Since when? Looking at the divorce rates, the serial marriages and living together without any type of marriage, one would think that heterosexuals believe marriage is anything but sacred.
Opinions vary on almost any different subject.
This blog site provided by the Courier gives us each and every one the equivalence of the letters to the editor or writing of a column in the print edition of our local newspaper.
Some of us are more gifted in the skill of expression with the written word than others.
Obviously each of us enjoys posting our thoughts and opinions.
As Cal Thomas wrote long ago the moral slide of America started with no-fault divorce and now it's worked it's way to this point in our history.
Go read a A PILLAR OF IRON by Taylor Caldwell.
We are steadfastly following the path which ultimately brought down the Roman empire.
America is not the great nation that it was just fifty years ago.
When we kicked the morning daily devotional out of schools and therefore kicked God out of the front door, the Devil came into the back door and some of us welcomed him.
Appears to me that some of us continue steadfastly to welcome the Devil and his ways into our government as well as our lives.
And a few of us proudly proclaim such as homosexuality as something that others ought to not only tolerate but add praise for.
We had queers and lesbians when I was in high school and we did not shun them.
Sex and sexuality should be private for the sake of human dignity.
I've never misstreated a gay person however I've never approved of the lifestyle and that is my right.
At times when I've been approached I have rejected their advances.
Once when I was just a kid I had to ward off a virtual rape attempt by my boss at my place of employment.
I disagree with the school thing TOT. You should have your devotionals an prayers as a family BEFORE school. If you are given a good foundation at home, it doesn't matter where you go, it stays with you.
Is it the statement calling the deceased Jerry Falwell a bigot..? If so, I stand by it. He was a false prophet that emphasized dam nation toward homosexuals.
I have to thank MikeLongCounty for pointing out some wrongfully made mistakes regarding the sweeping tone entailed in the word bigot.
I hereby recant my use of the word bigot to describe all conservatives and any and all that disagree with the defeat of DOMA.
I used a broad brush to paint a group of people which is the same thing I blamed tot for doing. All conservatives and those that disagree with DOMA's defeat are NOT BIGOTS. And, in the same vein, ALL Liberals are NOT murderers.
I will try to be more careful, and I thank MLC for showing the error of my ways by the classy way he handeled it via personal message.
It is no excuse, but I just got caught up in the emotion of it all and got out of control. Funk has warned me about this. I will try to work on it more...staying in control.
I appreciate what JimmyMack said. I also appreciate him and all who are willing to voice their opinions in a written form. Especially those who are willing to reveal their identities, that being said, not to offend anyone who chooses not to. I too have to be careful, not to generalize when it comes to political issues. My weakness/strength is that I often insert sarcasm in my writings, with the intent to "lighten things up a bit" but that to some can be interpreted as making light of the topic. But as I always say it is better to discuss a topic with one person who has the opposing view, than with a room full of people who agree with you.
Well this would be the appropriate blog for A$$ kissing! Jimmy Mack gets to attack and Mike Riddle helps cover his threats. BRAVO...
Name calling is one thing. I have it printed out where JM threaten myself and tot, to identify who we are, "NOW" I know were the info could come from.
Sheran there was no covering anything for JimmyMack, simply an appreciation for the comment that he made at 16:15. And I do appreciate all, including you, who take the time to express their views in a written format, because in most cases they are thought out. Not always, but most of the time. But in the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get alooong."
Sheran: Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your mind it will creep
Starts when you're always afraid
Step outa line, the Man comes
take you away.
Mike thank you for monitoring and referee service.
Now and then you have to blow the whistle on some of us.
up2, as I said we all have our opinion.
In times past the world was more disciplined and structured.
I believe that to have been the vision our founding fathers held for the new nation.
It worked splendidly and we quickly rose to the top of the world power pecking order.
As we have adopted ever increasingly liberal stances our world status has declined accordingly.
As JM says it is a new world.
And sadly we are no longer admired and loved worldwide.
Putin has openly expressed his disdain for our President and now stoutly backs that up in the Snowden affair.
Me thinks you be making the same mistake I did tot regarding conservatives. By that I mean, you cannot BLAME your perception of the decling United States world status on LIBERALS.
It appears you learned nothing from my written faux pas to which I made amends.
And this is the sort of thing that leave many of us on the Left aghast at your words. We are left in a state of outright astonishment of your unself-awareness.
JM you old friend and I will never be in agreement.
Most of the decline in this country's status as well as the financial ruin is the result of Democrats agreeing with war mongering Republicans in exchange for ever increasing welfare etc.
If the two parties did not have a lock on the primary elections this country would be in much better shape.
I simply believe that a man should provide for himself and not be dependent on the taxpayers.
This is gonna sound strange....but I almost am ready to see a viable third party involving coalitions amongst them in order to rule our Nation. Yes, Yes, Yes, I know we rebelled against against King George and whatever parlimentary form of gov't they had working over in England. But, if the two-parties cannot learn to compromise then we are headed for more gridlock and mud slinging coming from both sides. Seems to me a viable third party that forced parties to compromise in order to obtain majority rule might be in order.
However, there is so much partisan blood in the water right now that I doubt we will see this form of gov't anytime soon.
At least not in my lifetime.
LIGHT BULB MOMENT!!! It just MAY be possible afterall to see three parties. If Boehner cannot get his own party to agree on the just passed Senate legislation involving immigration due to Tea Party intransigence, it may prove to be fodder to Centrist Republicans to dis-own them. After all, the Tea Party already considers itself a Party within a Party.
May be there is hope afterall.
Not just a third party but all parties should be afforded the same access to the "Primary Election Ballot".
In our local elections I believe that the Liberty County Commission is the only partisan board.
I wish some of you who are good at research would look into this.
I believe the taxpayers of Liberty County foot the bill for the cost of polling places and the workers who monitor the voting machines and check voters identification etc on Primary election day as well as General election day.
However qualifying fees are paid to either the local Democrat or Republican party, and I don't think the parties cover any of the expense of the primary.
I have been told this by friends at my local breakfast club.
If this is in fact the way things are done, something seems wrong with that.
You are correct TOT, it is the tax payers who foot the bill in the elections. It comes to about $200 per voter (this is an average number as they vary form county to county.) Poll workers get about $90 for the work they do on election day. All monies collected goes to the party.
I did find out why you have to vote republican or democrat in the early elections. Say you had six democratic people running for office and one republican. Republican voter could vote for the weakest democrat so that in the run off the strong republican candidate would win.
"I think it's funny that people are making a big deal out of gay marriages citing that marriage is a sacred thing between a man and a woman. Since when?"
Since every time the "light bulb" went on in civilizations that really cared about the physical and emotional health of their children. Marriage is the foundation for humanity to "be fruitful and multiply." It is an institution primarily dedicated to providing a stable base for the healthly upbringing of CHILDREN. Everything aside from that central purpose are just frills.
And when societies degrade, the value of marriage deteriorates. You can gauge the health and the degree of degradation of a society by looking at the "success rate" of their marriages. Marriage has been and continues to be one of the most significant pillars of any society. It is THAT important.
A society's attitude toward marriage is also telling. When it is NOT a "sacred thing," it's a signal that that society is in trouble.
I agree Seb BUT society as a whole is not concerned with the sanctity of marriage, yet these same individuas are willing to use it as a club against gays.
up2 thank you.
If the two parties contribute nothing towards the cost of holding a primary election then why cant a candidate pay the qualifying fee to the party of their choice?
What does the party do with the monies received from candidates?
They pay to the party that they are running as, be it republican, democrat, libertarian, ect. 70% goes to the party and 30% to the county. If running as a nonpartisan, then 100% goes to the county.
Speaking for myself: Am I the only one here that thinks that two stable, hard working, God loving (yes many Gays believe in the Almighty)law abiding, same gendered adults are in every way as much possible at providing a stable base for the healthy up bringing of children?
If not, I got one for the record books because my wife and I have and are friends with two wonderful women that have one adopted male child aged 5 and one adopted female child aged 8 that are tremendous moms. Soccer, PTA, Church, the whole bit, living in Chatham County.
You reckon they are the only ones?
"BUT society as a whole is not concerned with the sanctity of marriage..."
up2: That's my point. Society is us, and we OUGHT TO BE concerned with the sanctity of marriage. As WE THE PEOPLE allow it to erode, WE THE PEOPLE - and our progeny - are the losers. It is no exaggeration: the institution of marriage has been undermined and under attack for as long as I can remember. Marriage - along with organized religion - have been on the downslide for at least 50 years, as the media, popular culture, "progress," and Hollywood have promoted just about every other behavior and lifestyle other than traditional marriage. It's no wonder - with this continuous assault ongoing - that marriages have become disposable as the "anything goes/get it now" lifestyle has become the new American Dream.
People used to stay married; save money; honor their word; and strive to be a solid member of the community and a good neighbor. Can anybody say that any of these traits have been on the upswing lately? NO! They are on the decline along with marriage.
What I'm saying is that society as a whole is US. It starts with each and every person and the values I mentioned in the above paragraph used to be taught in the home; emphasized to the max in schools; and reinforced in the media. Now none of these things are really being done on a widespread basis. When I say that our society is going to hell in a handbasket I mean it literally. Until we come to grips with what is really important to the continuation of our society and our country, we will continue to slide into the dumper.
Society is us. It's one person at a time. It starts with the man or woman in the mirror. Individually we have to make a difference if collectively we are going to turn things around.
JimmyMack, with the "God loving" reference, it appears that you are meaning that they are Christians. You're treading on thin ice with some of your remarks. I'm close to having to call you down, and if I call you down, I can prove my point...you know me well enough to know I'm not just whistling Dixie if I say that. If they are Christians, and I will say up front, that Gays, Heterosexuals, murderers, liars, and even thieves, can be Christians. But JimmyMack you are moving towards shaky ground, with what you are "not saying" because I know you are a Christian.
MLC once again thanks.
I enjoy visiting this blog site.
There are several participants of both the left as well as the right who post meaningful comments.
Counter points are always good no matter the persuasion of the blogger.
Some of our bloggers seem to enjoy the darker side of the writer's art.
I personally don't think that "shock jock" writing adds anything worth while to the blog site.
As Dr. Carson said when they have nothing meaningful to say they attack.
Well Mike...I kinda get the sence that you might be agettin a little angry at me. Go ahead. I can take it. I would not tho, if I were you, start a war on two fronts. My Brudda has called you out in public and not here on this cyber bathroom wall. Course you can pick either one of us to shoot at if you like. It will depend on how far YOU push it if it goes nuclear tho. It really just might come down to whether you could survive a public war of words with my brother. You remember The Old Brown Shoe guy, Rubin? I would be the safer target for you for a verbal go at it.
Our two female parents friends have an Episcopalian Priest and he has not only welcomed them into the Church he has enjoyed their volunteering in church activities and Episcopal Ceremonies.
Everybody, my friend, are not Snake handling Love Jesus or die worshipers.
I ain't saying you are. But there exists various interpretations of the scripture. Snake Handling is one of them.
I really can't believe this may all be about us not having broken bread yet together.
And I'm all for breaking bread with you or anyone in here. Would love to sit down tomorrow with any and all and discuss politics, religion, husbands and wives (marriage), receding hair lines, military, even healthcare...I think we all can agree that it is a bureaucratic mess.
Well ifn we can be polite (which I think is totally impossible) in discussing the PRS's (Politics, Religion and Sex) then eatin victuals may be a go soon. Adding eating to discussing Prs' is ner right impossible without a food fight or someone getting violent.
To add to the occasion we could throw in Money and Race to toss around.
Funk would have to be there. Sebe of course, Murrelet if we could find her, myself, of course you MLC.....not sure bout Tot. He's already got a coffee group so....no harm done. Course they open each meetin with the Horse Wessel song.
I can't do that one or sit wid anybody who does.
up2 my friend, I always get myself in trouble when I start naming people like I did above by leaving out the most level headed one amongst us, YOU.
And Sebe, I was lying about humor. See you just can't really tell about these cyber bathroom walls.
"I thought it was your union suit" is definitely funny and on point.