The End of the BSA as we Know it.
by HMJC
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Probaly a little dramatic for a title but for those familar with Scouting, Lord Badon Powell would never approve of the current state of affairs. As we all know by now the BSA has folded like a cheap suit and has decided to allow youth gay membership. Currently gay adults are still not allowed to serve; this will change soon as well. So, is the outrage a matter of intolorance, bigotry, or misguided religous beliefs? Some would say yes. Some would say that times have changed and as a people we need to change as well. Some would say that this will be a distraction in the beginning but will disipate in time...Some would say that this is about inclusion and equality. That would be some... I am a Scouter, can't really say what I am going to do from here. The BSA was one of the last orginizations that had the chutzpa to say that certain lifestyles were not consistent with our values. Now, has there been gay Scouts? yes, no doubt in my mind however, sexual orientation has never been a merit badge or skill that was taught in Scouting. The only thing close to that was the discussion of what was considered inappropriate touching or sitations to educate and protect the boys. Bringing sexual orientation to the forefront will be a distraction that will significantly take away from the program. Any way you slice it, this is a fact. We are going to lose many charter orginizations that are churches or religious entities. We are going to lose a lot of great leaders. I can already see the rhetoric of if they are such great leaders, why are they leaving? They will leave becuase they will not be part of an orginization that ironically is not consistent with their values. The BSA will weather the storm but will never be the same. God, Country, and Self has been the foundation of Scouting for over 100 years. To compromise this based on something that was never a fundamental of Scouting to begin with is a travasty. I am glad my Son has Eagled out, I am going to have to do some soul searching over the next couple of months to decide if I can continue. At this point I just don't know.


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mountain commented on Friday, May 31, 2013 at 14:14 PM

My yearly contribution to the Scouts have come to an end.

timeontarget commented on Friday, May 31, 2013 at 16:45 PM

It is the end of an era in which America was the flagship for all that is right in this world.

We now move forward amist a new set of lowered discipline and values.

The moral rot of America continues.

The liberals are leading the way.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, May 31, 2013 at 17:26 PM

The backward leanings of Social Conservatives of returning to the good ole days has dwindled down to a constant whine akin to that kid yelling "Come Back Shane, Come Back."

Shane of course, kept a right on going leaving little 'Joey' behind. The same fate awaits Conservatives. Their base is already moving more to the center regarding immigration policy and other social issues. The remaining Conservative dead-enders are left to their wailings...Come back America, come back.

However that particular train has left the station. Ain't no stoppin now.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, May 31, 2013 at 17:29 PM

Mountain: I hope you do not end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater on this one.

MikeLongCounty commented on Friday, May 31, 2013 at 19:07 PM

HMJC I fear that you are correct, regrettably I also fear that JimmyMack is correct too; and for that I am sad. And though I am saddened by the BSA's decision, I'm not surprised. I am an Eagle Scout and I have always been proud of that, but somehow now it seems like future Eagle Scouts won't be able to have quite as much pride, with the foundation of God being incrementally taken out of the organization. The Girl Scouts are only a shell of what they once were as a result of their "progressive" changes, and I fear the Boy Scouts will follow this same path. Fortunately their is a new Scouting organization being developed called On My Honor, which is holding true to the Scout Oath and Law, and is maintaining the ideals of Scouting being based on God and Country. Check it out at OnMyHonor.Net . For those who join On My Honor, it won't be them leaving Scouting,they will be joining because the Boy Scouts of America left Scouting.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Jun 02, 2013 at 15:43 PM

"Girl Scouts are only a shell of what they once were as a result of their "progressive" changes, and I fear the Boy Scouts will follow this same path."

I'm sure that you are correct, MLC. We have been "progressing" backward for at least a generation, and the fabric of our society continues to be under attack. The progressives - who claim to have a monopoly on intelligence in this country - don't have the hindsight or foresight to realize that it is the FAMILY UNIT and RELIGION that have kept our civilization together and allowed us to maintain a healthy social structure. When you destroy the healthy foundation for the vast majority to placate a small minority, you are ripping out the underpinnings of society itself.

I wonder how long it will take the "progressives" and their friends at the ACLU to challenge On My Honor and try to force their way in there as well. I totally understand where Mountain is coming from above. My hunch is that the BSA decision will NOT be well received, and that parents will think twice before contributing or allowing their children to participate in Scouting.

JimmyMack commented on Sunday, Jun 02, 2013 at 18:34 PM

Gee I dunno, Sebe. Seems to me the white masses left public schools en masse in order to congreate up in caucsion enclaves of h.s. learnin'.

It is a new world Charlie Brown and you all had better get used to it....or just fade away like McCarther.

HMJC commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 08:33 AM

I had another ephiphiny about this this weekend; the scouting application does not ask for sexual orientation because that has never been part of the teachings of the program. What I am saying is that none of my meetings ever covered that you had to be a heterosexual and this is why and could not be a homosexual and this is why. I say again, bring this to the forefront is a serious distraction that takes away from the corp teachimgs of the program. At the end of the day for what? Is this for the greater benifit? Yes I know this seems harsh but it is a question that needs asked. Is making homosexuality a an open up front topic in scouting for the best benifit for the program for all? I think you know the answer...

sebekm commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Who is McCarther? And what does HS have to do with BS?

sebekm commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 12:39 PM

"Is making homosexuality a an open up front topic in scouting for the best benifit for the program for all?"

Obviously not - it's just another "in your face" example of proponents pushing the lifestyle.

HMJC commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 13:12 PM

That is my point, it seems that not only do we have to accept homosexuality; we have to allow it it be inserted to basically all facets of our lives in the interest of "equality". Maybe I am missing something but everytime someone voices opposition to this "lifestyle", we are wrong, bigotted, and hopelesly stuck in the stone ages. Last time I checked this was a free country, I have stated numerous times, if you are gay, fine be gay! But do not expect me to attend the parade, give you a high five, or remotely pretend I suscribe to that way of life. I don't have to! I don't have to raise my children that way, and I darn sure do not have to suscribe to the fact that your sexual oreintation should be allowed to be part of every orginized entitiy. Live your life defined as a person, not who you sleep with!

JimmyMack commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 13:13 PM

Sorry. Broke one of my rules. Imbibing and blogging. Hence indecipherable words.

Think I was referring to High School Learning. The vast movement of caucasion students to private schools in order to avoid integration. Same with some cities experiencing white flight to the suburbs.

I meant Gen. Mc Arthur...I think when he went before congress and stated after being fired by Truman, that he would just now 'fade away.'

Not a very good comparison, but I was under the influence. My bad.

I will only say this: The Boy Scouts are a fine institution that teaches values and is a vehichle for building self esteem. Boy Scouts do not Bully people for being different and I think therein lies the lesson that can be gleaned by having open homosexuals in their ranks the way heterosexual boys now are. All will learn proper moral principles in dealing with expressions of good touch bad touch and the maturation process in becoming a responsible adult.

Being a homosexual does not make one a bad boy. A lesson that seems to me the Boy Scouts can handle just fine.

I know this is a wedge topic, but it needs to be discussed.

sebekm commented on Monday, Jun 03, 2013 at 19:54 PM

"Being a homosexual does not make one a bad boy."

The Bible says otherwise. So do the laws in a heck of a lot of countries around the world. I think a number of U.S. state laws also say so.

The homosexuals would have the entire world ratify their conduct. If you think about it, so would EVERY OTHER PERSON who has broken any law anywhere at any time. In this case, a minority of people want an activity that has historically been classified as "bad" to be reclassifed as "good." I suppose if I were them I'd feel the same way, but then I wouldn't be looking out for society as a whole, I'd be selfishly looking out for only myself.

I don't need any further discussion on the topic. I know what my values and beliefs are, and I've studied the historical consequences this "topic" has had on societies throughout history.

mountain commented on Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 07:54 AM

The world may change, organizations may change and the Boy Scouts may change but that does not mean I have to change my beliefs, standards, morals just to please a small group of people.

timeontarget commented on Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 07:54 AM

"I suppose if I were them I'd feel the same way, but then I wouldn't be looking out for society as a whole, I'd be looking out for only myself."

That says what is wrong about most of the liberal agenda and it says it very well.

I totally agree

HMJC commented on Tuesday, Jun 04, 2013 at 08:04 AM

At the end of the day I appriciate eveyones's input, yes you too Jimmy... Still not sure how I am going to proceed but once again do respect the different perspectives.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 07:05 AM

Heard through the grapevine yesterday that the Methodist church in Hinesville will cease to sponsor BSA troup 500 after this year.

HMJC commented on Thursday, Jun 06, 2013 at 14:32 PM

Don't want to say I saw it coming but....


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