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Hinesville is a busy ,crowded, important, metro area. Got a bus system even. A national touring act with hit records, the support of Hinesville Govt, and the allure of a brand new Ampitheatre, manages to draw 300 people against a $46,000.00 outlay. Two positions from the organizers are problematic. One: a sense that because some veterans or enlisted men really enjoyed the patriotic music, that in itself made it all worthwhile. It did not. Two: Even though hugh amounts of money was lost, it is somehow no big deal because some or a lot of it was sponsership money. No sponsor wants to see a failure from a prodution they invested heavily in and thier name associated with. Damage is compounded by less money now available and future sponsors made nervous.

A similar fiasco occurred when the new Wright Army Airfield was christened with a $60,000.00 two day air show that attracted less than a thousand people combined. County money, maybe some sponsors, big deal.

A couple years ago the Chamber of commerce, with command of sponsorship money and membership rolls put on a countywide festival (Libertyfest it seems) in our fair city and pulled together about 250 guests.

JulyFest Sharke Tournament at Yellow Bluff 15 or so years ago, while spending a fraction of the money, swamped all three of the above events in attendance and for people having an all around good time.

Some of you more learned might please explain this to the balance of us.


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mountain commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 08:13 AM

That's because the local people and red necks love a good Drunk Fest and so do I, that's why there was such a big crowd every year.

JimmyMack commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 09:58 AM

Mountain's comment is not only hilarious but correct. Plus, Hinesville being noted as a metro area is more a state of mind, then a true reality. We are a transient community with the majority having little or no ties to the community or its heritage. (see Liberty Trail;supposed tourist magnet and Dorchester School) Nor a continual interest in The Arts. Our elected officials and Developmental Boards, however, seek to portray Hinesville and the County as one bustlin' metro exploding place replete with a fancy airport, a Performing Arts Theater, and a forth coming college campus. It's all facial makeup driven by the Real Estate-Army dollar.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:32 PM

I'm not sure I'm "more learned," but here's my take. You said:

"JulyFest Sharke Tournament at Yellow Bluff 15 or so years ago..."

I'll stop there because I think the operative phrase is "15 or so years ago." IMHO - back then - we didn't have local government officials who were trying to compete with Savannah. Also, I believe that - PROBABLY - the government officials back then were more responsible in spending taxpayer dollars. They looked at the available funding and LIVED WITHIN OUR MEANS. They didn't worry about whether they could compete in "bragging rights" when all the mayors or city administrators got together and talked about their "accomplishments." They weren't ego-driven to the point of where they decided that "legacy" construction projects and "mass (Liberty) transit" systems would make them look like big shots during - and after - their tour in government was complete.

I agree with Jimmy: "Hinesville being noted as a metro area is more a state of mind" - as in "legends in THEIR own minds."

JimmyMack commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:43 PM

I am not sure I'm "more learned" either. My faux pas.

PoliticsNation commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 14:20 PM

The city changed it's status to metro so they could apply for additional funding from the government. If we were still considered a rural area we wouldn't have qualified for the funds to start a bus system.

JimmyMack commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 15:15 PM

PN: A wise man once said in commenting on a blog site here about "putting lipstick on a pig..." in reference to dressing up societal-moral decay.

I believe that anyone that has the ability to go to say...New York, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Savannah, or Augusta Georgia even, and say with a straight face that they hail from the Metropolitan City of Hinesville Georgia would either be looked at strangely or perhaps made fool of.

Like our own personal signatures...we can scribble anything we want and say that represents our name even tho it is not recognizable to it being spelled out in Block type letters. So, it is the same that Hinesville has the ways and means to call it self metro.

All them ghost buses, airports, rebought bankrupt College theaters, Tri-Mecca Monuments and transient human numbers may put Hinesville in a Metro status on one form of standards, but in the shadow of Atlanta's downtown office buildings and in the true light of day, Hinesville is a place one passes thru on their way to Savannah, Waycross, Fort Stewart or to some beach in Florida.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 17:03 PM

I'm proud to now be "from Hinesville, Georgia," and to those who might look at me strangely or make fun I'd say: "You have the problem, not me." And then I'd pick apart THEIR "metro" and highlight what makes this community better.

As I say - I've been on the other side. The "big cities" got nothing on us as far as being a better place to live and raise a family. Especially in this day and age. For the now, that old saying "it's a great place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there" really does apply to the large metro areas.

PoliticsNation commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 20:46 PM

I'm proud to now be "from Hinesville Georgia", too. I love the community and local shops.

JimmyMack commented on Wednesday, Apr 17, 2013 at 20:48 PM

Well, I will only say...that if you come from a hell hole as you describe, then I can understand your 'pride' of being from Hinesville.

I, on the other hand, not having been exposed to such an environment, am affored the luxury, if you will, of saying that some here are treading water in a Septic Tank when they think they are in pristine Bahamian waters.

From my perspective, that concept, is a result of enviromental development and is delusional.

sebekm commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 12:47 PM

We all have our own delusions, Jimmy. And we have our realities. Sometimes you have to live in hell to appreciate purgatory. At least that's what the immigrants who founded this country - and those who are trying to beat the down our doors - have thought down through the years.

A famous Democrat said these things back during those "delusional" days of Leave It To Beaver and The Andy Griffith Show:

"“Too much and too long, we seem to have surrendered community excellence and community values in the mere accumulation of material things. Our gross national product...if we should judge the United States of America by that - counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for those who break them. It counts the destruction of our redwoods and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and the cost of a nuclear warhead, and armored cars for police who fight riots in our streets. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children."

"Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages; the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage; neither our wisdom nor our learning; neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it tells us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans.”

That famous Democrat was Robert F. Kennedy - and even back when he saw the significance of the institution of marriage, community values, integrity in public service, and all of those things we debate here. I wonder what he would be saying today. Would he just throw up his hands and say "There ain't no going back?"

I don't think so.

JimmyMack commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 13:28 PM

What would he be saying today, you ask?

Well its pure speculation on my part Sebe but I think it would go something like:

For too long we have allowed bigotry and denial to women and minorities not only in seeking and attaining advancement in employment and only paying them mere portions of compensation that others of differing genders and color doing the same job make substantially much more of. For too long we have denied women the right to control their own bodies and a voice in their reproduction. For too long we have turned a blind eye to poverty and medical care to the less fortunate. For too long many of us have by virtue of our birth and pigmentation been subseqently harbored with an imparired perspective and inability to see life's opportunites and benefits afforded to some are in fact not available to all. We as Americans must learn to see that we are of many shades, religion and background and have not yet learned that is wrong to exclude others from our neighborhoods based on their color, sexual orientation or religion. This and many social ills must end. The perpetration by the media of the exclusivity of fictitious families composed of a father, mother and two kids not only is a universal misrepresentation of reality but fosters a social negativity when viewing others from ethnically different backgrounds and families made up of single mothers or no mother or father to look to for guidance.

So, my fellow Americans, it wrong to accept these notions and stop dragging our heels and confront our problems as a society and move on into an era of Inclusion rather than Exclusion and into an era of tolerance towards one another regardless of race, gender, religion and sexual orientation. As Americans we are given the freedoms to adapt and change. We must face these challenges and not return to anything less than the benefits that change can bring to us all. For if we do not embrace these challenges and meet them with a positive attitude towards change, then we have failed as not only a Nation but as human beings.

Just my words Sebe. But you asked. And there it is.

sebekm commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 14:47 PM

Actually, I think he would say that race relations is but a small slice of what ails our society today. And I think he would prefer the standards, moral compass, and clarity of the times in which he and his brother lived (and died).

sebekm commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 14:48 PM

..and since we've beat this one to death, I'll let it go.

Have a great day!

HuDhat1 commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 15:02 PM

But why did the concert fail. Was it the price of tickets, off site parking, wrong performer. And is there a way to have a sucessfull venture in that venue or should we stop trying.

JimmyMack commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 15:12 PM

thank you HuDat1 for putting up with me and I am pretty sure Sebe would say the same. Sebe is a erudite thinker and an individual worthy to engage with at times if for no other reason than to force those such as myself to attempt to lend some semblance of clarity to my beliefs.

Now...back to your question: why did the concert fail? Short answer, poor planning, poor advertising, unintelligble information regarding availability to parking and or shuttle service. And last but not least...refreshments and food vendors that might maybe should have included a modicum of alcohol.(or maybe NO alcohol...not sure.)

golfnut31316 commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 16:08 PM

HuDhat and Jimmy.

I don't know what you are meaning by poor planning. ON site parking maybe? The parking issue was addressed in all advertisements for the concert I saw. I do agree that parking at the place should happen.
The concert has been advertised since February on the radio. Kiz 96 and 92.3. It has been on the Hinesville Downtown and the Hinesville Farmers market Facebook page for months. It was in the paper a time or two and again parking was addressed.
Wrong performer, maybe so.
As far as stop trying, It was the FIRST venture of that kind at the Commons. Do you stop after one? No you learn from what went wrong and fix it so you can have a successful venture.

HuDhat1 commented on Thursday, Apr 18, 2013 at 20:30 PM

why can't you park on site. Who makes that call. For that matter who is the controlling authority for the property. Is there room to park enough cars to support a concert. Hard to imagine there was no food and beverage.

up2sumptin commented on Friday, Apr 19, 2013 at 07:52 AM

Why did it fail? IMO, it failed because the community is apathetic in all things. I also think the placement of the park is an issue. Those who are not apathetic are openly hostile to the park, with good reason. Take at look at the comment regarding the concert being over at 9pm and therefore noise was not an issue. The person who made that comment doesn't have small children/babies trying to sleep. They are not on a different shift from the usual 9 to 5 and therefore not being able to sleep because of the noise isn't an issue to them. I have heard people on Desert Storm say they could hear the concert in their homes. My heart bleeds for the people who are forced to live right next door to that thing.

On site parking should not be that big of a deal. Take at look at Shrimp Fest. Same set up but it is packed with people.

HuDhat1 commented on Friday, Apr 19, 2013 at 08:33 AM

If it is a park why isn't it open and what is the master plan. Is there a schedule of events.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:38 AM

the plan as I see it emanating from our elected officials, development authorites, and other representatives is that if they build it, they will come.

Their premise is built upon the foundation of a fictitious movie.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Apr 19, 2013 at 09:42 AM

Same with the 7.5 million dollar football field. Plenty of bleachers and grass but NO place to park.


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