why waste your time? the last time the army came here to listen to the local people they took what was said and came back and asked the community to invest a lot of money for the armys benefit. only to pull the rug out from under the same people that put everything they had into the projects that army asked for. thats why the big housing project "Independence place" has a couple of projects, but more reposed land then anything else.
This is nothing but a bunch of BULL CRAP because the plans are already in place no matter what concerns are brought forward.
I think we all need to maintain some perspective here. The bottom line is that Hinesville is dead without Ft. Stewart. The request made by the previous Commander was based on what he was told was the "plan". Ft. Stewart has a responisibility to be a good steward to Hinesville but it should be a two way street. Both rely on each other to be successful. Sequestor has been bad for all, no other nice way to say it. We just need to find a way to get through this collectively until the ship wrights itself
I will only say, that Liberty County goes all the way back to Declaration of Independence and was home to two signers of that Document. Also, Hinesville as a community existed as a sleepy type southern hamlet long before Ft. Stewart came and inflicted a transient culture upon many of us locals. True, some have benefitted from the Army Dollar. But, some of us MADE it without the Army dollar before Ft. Stewart blew up in the 70's. I used to just about know EVERYBODY I saw at the various stores in Pre-Ft. Stewart buildup. Now I can go to places like Walmart and sometimes not even see ONE local person.
I liked the town I grew up in before the expansion. And to put it bluntly, fellas, I and an albeit minority of others, would and could be just fine if Ft. Stewart just went away.
Yes Sebe. You are correct as usual. There is NO Going Back. I made a buck of two of the Army dollar and have made a socialogical adjustmant to the New Normal for Hinesville. I am just saying: that Hinesville as I knew it pre boom town was a pleasant place to live and raise children.
I Know FSGA will not dissapear and can deal with it. I do not pine for a return to Mayberry here, because as I said before: There ain't No Going Back. I will continue to adjust rental payments and take my bargain with the dollar with a grain of salt. That's All.
Sebe: I am old enough to remember Ronald Reagan the darling of the right, hosting G.E. Theater on T.V. in which he signed off from the show each and every time with the words "Remember, Progress is our Most Important Product."
Staying put, socially and culturally speaking, negates evolving. You know, kinda like the middle ages when the moral compasses of the world burnt women, jews, and 'outsiders' and intellectuals at the stake. Them dark times lasted for a few centuries til progressive thinkers brought about the age of Enlightenment. Sometimes called the Renaisance period.
Change is enevitable and is for the most part GOOD.
...and BTW IMHO the 20 megatron thinga majig will happen BEFORE we see Andy, Gomer and Aunt Bee having lunch at an all white Woolworths lunch counter.
...also cannot return to keepin women pregant, barefooted, in the kitchen and politically silent. Same for people of color having to drink from COLORED ONLY drinking fountains and passing a poll test in order to vote. We are moving on. And we are taking the heel draggers down that road whether they like it or not. Besides, many of those heel draggers are coming off of some of their outdated notions of immigration, gay marriage and even guns. You can ALWAYS count on change, and you can also count on the reluctance of some of the people to resist it. (see War of Confederate Independence)and some of the comments on these pages.
Well, there were lynchings in the 40's, 50's, castrations, cross burnings and outright murders in the 60's. Dem good ole days were right ifn you wuz white. The only moral decay I see, is the rotting of the heretofore right's non-functioning moral compass. Repression has fosterd our moral decay. Especially to the marginalized caucasion way of doing things.
The only thing I might be sure of is that we are all going to hang separately if not altogether. Aging white men with receding hair lines telling women how and what to do with their uterus days are over. Fine'
Gay marriage is a reality.
Marijuana Legalizaiton is a matter of time.
The Great Melting Pot endures and is thriving.
The days of the Beave were not real. Never were.
Our next president will be a WOMAN.
mY CHIPS are on Hillary with a two term run and a splintering of the Gop with their own Tea Party lunatics.
I may have presented the wrong perception with my post. I was never knocking Hinesville or the "locals" You see, I am what I belieive is refered t as a "Damn Yankee" as I was stationed here and never left...I stayed because ironically this is the longest I have any place in my life. My kids had friends, people actualy reconized my wife and I and the town is still fairly small. The point I was trying to make is that Ft. Stewart and Hinesville are in this together. We cannot go back to the way it was but we can damn sure make how it is now count
I understand HMJC. Sebe and I do a little fencing every now and then. He is more diplomatic than I at it.
I think I was just originally responding to the comment: "that Hinesville would be dead without FSGA.."
Which is technically correct. Hinesville as we know it NOW would for all intents and purposes become a relatively speaking Ghost Town should FSGA disappear. However, the Hinesville, BEFORE FSGA became a mega post, existed and for the most part was a thriving vibrant small southern town.
I should comment further that when the Federal Government bought the 279000 acres that is now called Fort Stewart they caused the towns of Willie and Taylors Creek to be wiped off the map. These were communities with grocery stores, schools, churhes and a post offiice. Not just houses out in the woods. My daddy graduated from Willie High School. Wyman Mays Book: The Taylors Creek Community lists the various family lineages of the inhabitants of those towns. And yes, the Darsey clan is one of them.
The view of the world, society thru priviledged caucasion lens indeed inhances the Beave 'reality.' Maybe Funk and Lholmes, agree with you and your white perspective on dem good ole days. And yes, Sebe, they were an illusion. Ask people of color about where they were allowed to take lunch, go to school, vote, even marry during dem dose good ole days, my friend.
Memory, especially good memories, are for the most part, selective in that the 'good ones' are easily recalled. One's psyche tends to diminish the bad things of those good ole days.
I, a southern white boy, swam in a PUBLIC pool during them hot good ole days. Nary a person of color dared enter. I could go on...but I do not think that I will ever meet your fond remembrance of those Beave days on equal ground.
Nice, well written words Sebe and of course you are blessed with your right as an American to express them. Please see my post on another blog: Paradox by Hudat as it reflects most of what I could replicate here but will not.
The only thing you got wrong is your perception of my "bitterness and rancor about my life..." I am not bitter nor rancorous about my living thru 'dem good ole days" as you call them. Quite the opposite. If my ability to describe those times in words that are uncomfortable to you, then...that, my friend, is Not MY problem. Those days were some of the best days of my life. I just happen to know that those days were emphatically horrendous for other humans and the Beave was and will always remain a fictional portrayl of an unreal hollywood manifistation of "good ole days."
Such, as you say, is the Melting Pot in which we exist.
Yea...its probably time to end it. But one last comment: those 50's and 60's were days that threatened the extinction of the entire human race by the Bomb. A total ending of the world. We came close to the brink in '62 with our blockade of Cuba and with Russian and American fingers inches away from thermo nuclear warfare while the Beave and Wally sorted out their school homework problems.
I too, am now done Sebe. You have a good one today too. It is indeed a learning pleasure for me to engage in learned give and take with you.