I drove past the entrance on 84 last night when it looked like the concert had just concluded. A couple of squad cars flashing blue for traffic control as pedestrians crossed the highway to get to cars. There were two or three buses parked in front of the LCDA building. I didn't see very many people walking, or many parked cars in the vicinity.
gacpl: I too drove by and saw very few cars anywhere. If parking was made available to the public, I did not see where it was. Just like the new football field. They gotta bunch of seats and new grass but no where to park. Insane.
Much ado about nothing...
I heard the tickets had been severely discounted ($10?) due to only 30 being sold. From my understanding, you are not allowed to park there but must park elsewhere and take a bus in (like Richmond Hill's Shrimp Fest).
Yes - they had a glowing sign which advised gave notice of the concert and said "no on-site parking." As to attendance, it probably hurt that the concert was scheduled "up against" the NCAA Final Four on the tube. I suppose you CAN attend a concert and watch the games on your phone at the same time, but that wouldn't be my first choice. (And if I had to choose between a Daryl Whoosis concert and Louisville vs. whoever and SYR-MI, I'm sorry - but Mr. Whoosis loses every time.)
You might surprised to know that the band was paid $40,000 to perform, not counting the cost for police, emt, etc.. Even if 100 people attended the concert (which did not) they once again lost a lot of money on another endevour this town can not support. I have seen many businesses (such as a go-cart track, roller rink etc) open and close over the last 20 years because people rather go to Savannah for better entertainment at a lesser cost. Why would someone pay $30 for a outdoor concert, sitting on the lawn, fighting bugs when you can go to Savannah's air conditioned Civic Center, watch a big name perform at less cost?
Unfortunately Mayor and Counsel have in their minds that this town is a Metropolis, spending good money after bad...........
haven't got this confirmed yet. but rumor has it that while hinesville police was making extra sure no cars pulled in, the money from the concert was robbed.
Once again everyone just wants to complain There were more than a hundred people at the concert and it was actually very nice. Much better than sitting in an arena cramped around a bunch of people. We were able to sit on the grass enjoy the beautiful weather and listen to some great country music. Hope they do it again!!
Hmmmm....100+ people at $30 a ticket = $3000+ taken in against a $40,000+ expense outlay? Sounds like some VALID complaints to me - especially if public funds footed the bill. And if the proceeds of the concert actually were stolen....well...as a taxpayer I'd prefer that that performance is NOT repeated.
I did forget up2's post. The "new math" would be:
$30 x 30 = $900 +
$10 x 70 = $700 for a grand total of
$1600 +/- taken in against a $40,000 +/- outlay (of which the take was reportedly ripped off)
Sounds like the way our local government does business. Reminds me of Liberty Transit....
i'm trying to get it confirmed if they were robbed. everyone is dancing around the subject when asked. i wouldn't put it past the city to cover it up to not have to explain it to the public.
While your at it-Check to see if the 100+ sitting on the grass, enjoying the beautiful music were city employees...I heard they gave the tickets to them.
OK. the rumor about the thief appears to be true. The total number of tickets sold was 120 and the $40,000 did not include expenses. This was also paid by the city.
I think the Courier will report this one. The webmeister reads these pages and Ms. Hipps does also. They will do the right thing. They might not 'hit' the ones in charge of this fiasco as we do here, but they will put out the facts Jack Webb style.
I just read the comment about the the "money from the concert was robbed".
We know one thing...they didn't leave the scene on wheels becuase no cars were allowed in..they walked out with the money...or someone who was allowed to drive their vehicle on site...
Here's some info for you:
Thank you Ms. Barnidge. See there fellow bloggers. It is going to be reported by the Courier.
Personally, I think maybe some of us here should be looked upon as .... I don't know what to call it...maybe the arm-twisters or the knee-breaker bunch of community reportage. We seem, speaking for myself of course, and maybe a few others, to be able sometimes to get the powers that be attention. (See BI football coach)
I may be romanticizing our roll here a bit since I've used terms like scribbling on a cyber bathroom wall to describe this blog site.
I think I am playing into my own vanity with THE ENFORCERS bit.
I can't help it. I am on psychotropic medication and lived thru the sixties even tho I can only recall about ten percent of that decade. In reality I am an idiot with a pronounced character defect posing as a sane person.
Ask tweedle dee and tweedle dum. They have all the answers.
i think we bring up things sometimes that makes them look into different things. and getting the right news also means know what questions to ask. there might be some help from the bloggs on that too.
I just read the article about the concert and noticed that the article was written based on intervies with city officials (which they always tend to bend the truth). Perhaps the Coastal Courier could follow up with a investigative report.
Living very close to the steel frame that is called the "amphitheater" I can tell you that noise was a issue, attendance was very small
Watchfuleye makes good points. Personally, my first reaction is to NOT believe any *official* version of a story any time fhere is the slightest chance there is CYA involved. Look at the story online here today about the Atlanta school system and the MASSIVE crookedness displayed by those very senior, highly educated people. If it can happen in the educational system, WE THE PEOPLE need to look under every rock to see where we might be getting screwed.
Aside for the money lost, it seems like a bad decision to run the concert at the same time as the NCAA Final Four. I can't believe fhat didn't depress attendance.
The article I mentioned is here:
and it is actually is a Marietta Daily Journal opinion piece. In addition to chronicling the highly orchestrated, systematic cheating and abuse of power by kingpins in the Atlanta educational system, there is also a very on-point paragraph which discusses the importance of investigative journalism in cracking that case, as well as in general:
"In all, it is a sordid, sordid case, one that came to light in large part due to the dogged investigative work of the Atlanta newspaper. In an era when fewer and fewer Americans are reading newspapers, it is another reminder of the vital role that newspapers play as the watchdogs of our communities.
There are plenty of public officials who would like nothing better than to see the newspapers in their community just disappear, or else serve just as a public relations megaphone ballyhooing those officials’ accomplishments. Likewise, there are other officials from Washington to the local level who talk a good game about the need for “government transparency,” but who in fact try as hard as they can to keep the public in the dark."
Repeating the most operative part as it relates to Hinesville, Georgia:
"There are plenty of public officials who would like nothing better than to see the newspapers in their community just disappear, or else serve just as a public relations megaphone ballyhooing those officials’ accomplishments. Likewise, there are other officials from Washington to the local level who talk a good game about the need for “government transparency,” but who in fact try as hard as they can to keep the public in the dark."
Sound familiar to anyone?
Complain nothing to do in Hinesville, Nothing going on. Now when something is going on, complain because it is.
I think the "complaints" are about mismanagement, wasteful spending and poor scheduling - not about nothing going on or nothing to do. I have never complained about"nothing to do/going on," nor do I recall seeing anybody complaining about that on these blogs. The questions here are: why was so much money spent for such a small turnout; were any of the proceeds stolen; how did it get stolen; stuff like that there. For me, this all assumes we are talking about PUBLIC MONEY. If no taxpayer dollars are involved, then I wouldn't give a hoot what happened to it.
having what was expected to be a big event is a good thing. but to not have parking killed it. i know several people that wanted to go, but seen there was no parking they didn't.
not having parking is just straight up mismanagement if your expecting 1000+people.
Exactly gacpl! Look at the 7.5 million dollar football field. Too many of our officials bought into the Field of Dreams gambit: Build it and They Will Come. No they won't. There is no place to park.
Ah but there's the rub. You HAVE to park somewhere else and HAVE to use public transit to get there. So the numbers go up and they can better address complaints in the transit system.
Worley concert draws more than 300
Cash box reported missing from event.
They city of Hinesville’s 2013 fiscal year budget had an approved expenditure of $46,602 for the concert.
Worley’s performance fee was $15,000.
$30.00 X 300 = $9.000.
gacpl, lack of parking did not kill the event. Anyone that attended or thought about attending the event knew about the numerous parking areas and the free shuttle to and from the concert. On site parking is virtually impossible. Think about it! IF they would have offered on-site parking it would have created a logistical nightmare. HWY84 is congested as it is (no matter what time or day). It would have taken forever to get in and out of the area, backed up traffic on HWY 84 and hence causing more accidents.
i know several people that didn't go just because of parking. people in this day and age do not want to leave their car somewhere other then the place they are going to, it makes them feel stranded. on site parking might be impossible. but just goes to show even more lack of planing on the cites part from the get go. there has been plenty of other concerts in the area that have brought plenty of people to them, but then they had parking.
"Exactly gacpl! Look at the 7.5 million dollar football field. Too many of our officials bought into the Field of Dreams gambit: Build it and They Will Come. No they won't. There is no place to park."
"Ah but there's the rub. You HAVE to park somewhere else and HAVE to use public transit to get there. So the numbers go up and they can better address complaints in the transit system."
jimmy and up2: But for things like football games - I don't believe Liberty Transit runs at times which makes its use possible - no?
In the case of the concert, it appears that the "free shuttle" mentioned by watchfuleye was via Liberty Transit buses. (The buses I saw parked in front of the LCDA building were Liberty Transit buses). Perhaps some of the budgeted funds covered the expense of running the buses, but special events like this using Liberty Transit do nothing to assist in the self-sustainability of the system, since the budgeted amount - given the poor attendance - are going to come out of TAX DOLLARS anyway.
I have read the comments posted in reference to the concert. A lot of comments begin with "I heard". I will not make any statement about this topic (concert) that I am not 100% sure is true. The shuttles (Liberty Transit) was not free - it cost $2.00 per person for the round trip. In reference to the assumption that folks didn't attend just because of parking: If you go to Savannah or Jacksonville to see a concert, you have to almost always park several blocks away (and pay a fee) which results in a walk to the show.
Noise: maybe, but the concert and all associated noise was over by 9pm.
There were NO discounted tickets. And city employees did NOT receive any free tickets.
Now, this is only my opinion, but I enjoyed the concert. And, the weather was perfect.
The amphitheater is nice. It needs a few more improvements. For the first show or big event, there were things learned, but overall the event was good. We have to start somewhere.
@Sunnygal- I think people are more concerned about wasteful spending. Yes, we need to start somewhere but the money would have been better spent on other things- repairing potholes, mowing the weeds on side of the roads, replacing missing street signs, or etc.... Also, I was advised from a well know source that while they were adding $46,000 to the budget for a concert; they cut a City employees (community development) hours from full time to part time, cutting their benefits and vacation time!!!! So they chose to put a family in poverty to host a concert.
I like your sunny disposition sunnygal, but PN has a point. I just paid my property taxes appx 9K and my car tag fees $742 to our local guvment. That's 9 grand plus 700+ dollars just to live and drive two cars here. They, the local officials, took my money and wasted it. How much of a learning curve at tax payers expense are we going to put up with til they get it right? They are learnin on your and my dime.
Sunnygal: Thanks for commenting. I'll just mention two things:
*Many of the comments you read here about local events are going to include the phrase "I heard." After all - this IS "Liberty's Online Gathering Place" where people exchange ideas, experiences and - yes - what they have HEARD. We know each other via online communication, even if we don't know each other outside of cyberspace. As a result, we know generally who the "crackpots" are and IMHO they are none of the people who have posted in this here blog string (myself possibly excluded).
*Having said that - we don't know YOU. From your profile, you are posting anonymously and this is your first post. Consequently, I'm not sure we can take your "facts" at face value, not knowing the source. For example:
--How do you KNOW that there were no discounted tickets and city employees did not receive any free tickets? Area you employed by the city, or were you personally involved in the planning, logistics or execution of the concert in any way? If so - and if we knew who you were - that would add credibility to your comments.
However - please forgive the skepticism. Everybody has an opinion and has the right to express it - especially here. But if you want yours to be accepted authoritatively, I for one would like to know who I'm talking to.
no discounted ticket and city employees did not get free tickets is what the city said, (but this is the same city that tells us the empty buses riding around town are a good thing for all of us). but i have heard both from several separate unconnected sources, so that one will be unknown. as far as parking at a show in Savannah, there is parking on site for well more then the number of people that went to the concert here. yes you might have to walk some if you don't get there early. but the only options here were to park in other businesses parking lots, in case you are not aware is illegal and they can have your car towed.
HELLO, did anyone bother to read the article in the Courier about the concert???
There were free tickets given away!!!
The members of the Hinesville Downtown Development Authority Board of Directors were given one free ticket each, but they did have to pay for their spouses,” she said.
Yes - but the discussion string was about free tickets to CITY EMPLOYEES. Apparently the HDDA Board of Directors are NOT city employees. I dunno. Regardless, I still question the planning of putting it opposite the NCAA Final Four, as well as projecting attendance vs. the budget vs. actual COST. I guess it did provide something to "do" in Hinesville, but with such sparse attendance, was it really worth it?
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