I do not care as long as they win.
I refuse to comment on the title of this blog because it sounds like you are trying to start a race argument and I will not participate.
You have stolen my thunder. I was very pleased when I discovered that the Braves had aquired B.J. Upton from Tampa Bay back in December and then traded with Arizona earlier this year and aquired his younger brother Justin. Both of this fine young outfielders were born and raised in Norfolk Va. and I was born and raised 15 miles south in Suffolk Va. I've been a Braves fan since the early 90's during the Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz era of pitching dominance. The 2013 Atlanta Braves outfield will be within the top tier in the league and arguably the best if they can perform as expected. Justin Upton in LF, BJ Upton in CF and Jason Heyward in RF will be an exciting duo indeed. I will be watching there debut against the Phillies starting at 7:05 pm Monday night.
no one cares what their color is as long as they can do the job. the only time most white people care about color is when you have someone running around waving the race card.
I would have based the blog on the enormous talent that the Upton brothers have added to the outfield of the Braves. PN copied an article that I had read earlier this month and it focused on color and talent throughout the history of baseball. PN is consistent on supporting people of color whether they are good, bad or indifferent like President Obama, Al Sharpton and now the Braves starting outfield which are all black. In general this country is comprised of at least 10% who are racist and care about color; however in America you can set your own destiny and no one can stop you but you. That opportunity is slowly fading away with the big government, anti-capitalist in the Whitehouse.
I am showing my age here...but I remember back in the sixties when the Giants had the three Alou brothers in the outfield. I can only remember one of the brothers first name: Phillipe, but he and his two siblings played along side one another.
I think it's coming back to me now about the three Alou brothers in the Giants outfield, Phillipe, Jesus and Maddy Alou I believe were their names. Dominicans I think.
I would predict that the Braves will win their division, but that would be the kiss of death. Go look at my B-Ball picks for proof.
JimmyMack, you have a great memory and thanks for the history lesson. The brothers never started together because Willie McCovey started in LF and Willie Mays in CF. However they did play together in several games in 1963 and its still history in the making check out the details here:
It's about history. People are reading too much into the title. The point is another mark has been made in sports history. I'm sorry if it offended some of you but a few of my friends are excited to see an all black outfield. I'm sorry but some minorities have never seen an all black out-field.
As noted in your basic blog post, the first "all-black" major league outfield was fielded 62 years ago. I do not believe that if it took the Boston-Milwaukee-Atlanta Braves 62 years to equal that happenstance, that it was due to racism. Consequently, the "historical significance" of this occurrence is ZERO. The overwhelmingly most probable and logical reason that it hasn't happened before is that the franchise never had three black outfielders talented enough to beat out the Dominican, Puerto-Rican, Mexican, South American, or non-minority outfielders on the depth chart above them. Of all professional sports, major league baseball has been the most race-neutral for more than 50 years.
That is why the historical significance of the Braves "having an all-black outfield" is roughly equivalent to whether the groundhog saw his shadow last month.
I wasn't around 62 years ago to witness that event. Having a team with all black outfielders isn't common and it opens the door for discussion among minority youth. Young black males don't have many role models so it empowers them to see people that look like them in different arenas. I celebrate who and what I choose. Don't try and minimize a moment that's important to me and others. Please, celebrate with me and try to empathize and understand why this moment is important to the black community.
You need to watch more pro baseball. All-black outfields are EVERWHERE, and have been for years. We had 'em when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's. My point is that this is not a racial issue as you are trying to make it - it is a TALENT issue. An "all-black outfield" for the Braves has no real significance whatsoever. It only reflects that they now have three black guys who are the best outfielders on the team. Ted Turner owned that team for many years and he IS NOT a racist. He went after and got the best players available -as have all the MLB organizations -for as long as I can remember - regardless of their race. If the organization would have had three outfielders who happened to be black that were the team's best right, center, and left fielders, they would have been playing together in the same outfield. The fact that they now do is an interesting factoid, but little else.
You are making out this happenstance as if it has some great historical or social significance or reflects some great "racial progress." It does none of that.
That's my point.
Obviously you can celebrate whatever you want-but to celebrate this IMHO would be like celebrating five white guys starting on one team in the NCAA Tournament Finals. It would be an interesting oddity but nothing more.
And why do we always seem to want to make everything about RACE???
Here’s the first black outfield in Major League History fielded by the NY Giants in 1951:
And here’s the first black starting lineup in Major League History fielded by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1971:
Your blog would have had credibility if you had focused on the talent of the trio, IMHO.
What's not credible about the story? I want go back and fourth over something positive. It's a good story and a special moment. Go Braves!
I can cite probably scores of "all black outfield" combinations that have taken the field for MLB teams over the past 50 years, but that would be a total waste of everybody's time. (But two that immediately come to mind are Lou Brock, Curt Flood and a bunch of other black guys for St. Louis in the 1960s, as well as Billy Williams, Adolfo Phillips and Willie Smith for the Cubs during the same period.)
As I said, we can all celebrate what we want - and I see no problem whatsoever in celebrating the Atlanta Braves and their players, to include these three outfielders who happen to be black.
If they win the World Series this year, I'll even do some celebratin' myself.
PN, I meant your blog would be more credible if it were about the trio’s talent and the potential of the team instead of their color. This blog is a sterling example of what I have said about you before, that you post blogs that you don’t have a clue about the whole story. And because you weren’t around 62 years ago is not an acceptable excuse for not knowing that blacks have served prominently in the Majors for many years.
Chief, if Brian McCann and Brandon Beachy can recover from injuries and get back to their normal performance levels, a championship celebration is certainly possible
@ funk..YOU don't know me or what I know..and once again you've taken my comment out of context. I didn't say I didn't know the history of blacks and baseball..I stated I wasn't around to witness what took place 62 years ago. You post these racist post weekly and have the nerves to show dismay when someone else has something to say. The fact is there is an all Black outfield team in Atlanta and we have a black President and if you live long enough you will see a woman take office and more minorities in key positions too...So get use to it.
"try to emphathize and understand why this moment is important to the black community". If it was really important to the black community there would be more blacks playing baseball. For whatever reason the participation is not there. Even 'Historically Black Colleges' have virtually all white teams. Also, are you a racist if you have an all black outfield and one or more speak spanish. Philipe' Alou, Hank Aaron, Rico Carty, '69 Atlanta Braves
HuDhat...I was thinking the same thing about the " Historically White Colleges" when I was watching March Madness. If Basketball or Football was important to those colleges their would be more whites in starting positions.
I don't. I'll add two points to further the debate:
1. "More whites" are not starting on March Madness/NCAA tournament teams BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH TO START. Period. And take a look at the racial composition of the NBA and especially the racial composition of the All-NBA teams for about the last 50 years. The best players - and the ones who have dominated the league in quality play and in a substantial majority - are almost all black athletes. I for one have been celebrating the play of the likes of Michael Jordan, Scotty Pippen, and a host of other black basketball players for many years. THE BOTTOM LINE: In college and pro basketball (football, too), we have achieved the dream of being judged not on skin color but on character (or athletic) content. Blacks start because they are better players.
2. Funkentelecky: You are a black man, no? I was just wondering - with regard to all-black outfields in Atlanta, black Presidents, and more minorities in key positions - exactly WHAT are you supposed to "get use to?"
Funky: Many teams wish they had a Brian McCann.
P.S. Yu Darvish just lost his perfect game with two outs in the ninth. (And it's still hard to think about the Houston Astros as an American League team.)
Who cares if Funk is black! Most of my friends are Black and they hate their own race. Most of you on this site range between the age of 50-66 and have a closed mind. You put others down when they dont think like you. Seb, your usually sleep by 9....I look forward to your harsh tone early in the morning.
@ Seb- I woke up thinking about your latest post about blacks in sports and how you dont see skin color...the only time the majority celebrates a person of color is in sports. ..
You should care if he's black. You are accusing him of racism and telling a black man to "get use to" having a black president, an all-black outfield in Atlanta, and minorities in key positions. To accuse a black man - who I assume has lived The Black Experience in America - of these things to me seems silly.
My mind is completely open, PoliticsNation. However, I can assure you that when I consider something in this forum and I don't agree with it, I am going to speak my mind - just as you have the right to do. When you engage in a debate you have to expect opposing points of view.
And if you think my tone is "harsh" - you ought to read some of the blog posts around here going back a few years. I assure you that I am a pussy cat compared to the "harshness" of people who post (and have posted) here.
When I have a point to make, I do so as directly and (believe it or not) as politely as I can. But you should understand that when people put their thoughts and ideas out in this forum, they are inviting comments - be they in agreement or disagreement. None of us has a monopoly on being correct, and I'm sure that very few (if any) of us post ideas here that we believe to be in error.
You're getting upset because I don't agree with you - that's the bottom line. My reply is: don't be surprised when somebody does, and unless somebody insults you by name-calling or using derogatory terms to describe you or your personal characteristics (which I assure you I will NEVER do), you shouldn't take things personally.
PolNat: For more than 26 years I belonged to one of the most race-neutral organizations in this country: the United States Army. During that time, I served shoulder-to-shoulder with probably every racial or ethnic category of person listed in the U.S. census. I was raised in Chicago, Illinois, by parents who NEVER ONCE in my recollection made a derogatory term about people of other races or ethnic backgounds and who taught me that PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. As a supervisor of military and civilian personnel, I was trained to consider every person on their individual merits, and that everyone in the organization (and by extension our society) HAS VALUE. I did not hire or fire based upon race, and if I did I would have never been promoted 10 times in my career field.
I will admit that from an early age, I have "celebrated" people of color in sports. In fact - almost ALL of my sports heroes while growing up were people of color. These include Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Dick Allen, Michael Jordan, Carlos May, Walter "No Neck" Williams, Ed "The Creeper" Stroud - just to name a few. Further, in my teens I was a jazz musician, and every single one of my jazz "heroes" were black. I will confess to having relatively infrequent personal contact with people of color due to the neighborhood structure in Chicago. However while in the Army, many of my best bosses and subordinates were people of color. For more than 26 years, I celebrated my personal relationships with them on a daily basis, and I do so through continuing correspondence even today.
Very few of us who post here actually know who we're talking to, so as I say - we probably should refrain from taking things personally. But I go though this extensive autobiography to assure you (assuming that you believe me) that the statements I make here are as race and bias-free as I can make them.
...and I'd be very surprised if your statement that "Most of my friends are Black and they hate their own race" doesn't provoke a few adversarial comments (or at least inquiries). If it doesn't, it ought to.
@Seb- I am sure you have heard the comment before. Im not here to stir up hate or offend anyone- we have enough of that going on. I dont judge people by their race or status. I was taught to love everyone. I believe in a higher power so at the end of the day I leave the hate small talk and malice in his hands.
HuDhat1: It's a long story - but since you have the time:
The Army got me (draft notice). But even before then - paraphrasing Ray Kinsella - "jobbin'" on weekends got to be like eating vegetables or taking out the garbage. I just got burned out. I was involved in musical instruments (to include teaching during the summers of my late teens) since I was six years old. I was a reasonably good musician (the Hammond B-3 was my ax at the end), but eventually - along with being burned out - I realized that I probably wasn't going to be able to make a living at it. Then came marriage and two babies, and like bowling, pool, and all the other stuff I used to spend a LOT of time on, there didn't seem to be any time for music. My parents were vey disappointed, but I'm sure they took the philosophical view that even if I didn't stick with it, the time spent kept me off the streets and out of any real trouble during those "formative years." My best friends were my drummer and my guitarist. The guitarist has his own music coordination business (with an orchestra), so he stuck with it and made out. But the drummer became a cop and I went into the Army.
Lots of memories but little else. I do have what could probably be described as an enhanced appreciation for music. And since I finally got a "smart phone" a few months back, I now have "the soundtrack of my life" (loaded mp3s) on my phone, and am enjoying listening to the old tunes via bluetooth earpiece while shopping and doing other mundane tasks.
PolNat: Actually, I hadn't heard that before. I hope it isn't true, but if you have friends that feel that way, I believe you but I think it is really sad. I do think that everyone should celebrate living and who they are, and they can do that every single day on their own.
And I believe the higher power will always prevail.
2. Funkentelecky: You are a black man, no? I was just wondering - with regard to all-black outfields in Atlanta, black Presidents, and more minorities in key positions - exactly WHAT are you supposed to "get use to?"
Yes I’m a black man Chief, born and raised in poverty with a strong black mother and father to kick my tail when I needed it. After being raised in a traditional church going black family and struggling to make ends meet in the early 80’s, I took a risk and joined the most diversified organization in the World, the US Army and served 21 memorable years and gained experiences that help mold me into a person of character, who takes responsibility for his actions and doesn’t blame anyone else for my failures, and will humbly take credit for success. I’m an open minded person too , if I wasn’t I wouldn’t be blessed as I’m today.
Who cares if Funk is black! Most of my friends are Black and they hate their own race. Most of you on this site range between the age of 50-66 and have a closed mind. You put others down when they don’t think like you. Seb, your usually sleep by 9....I look forward to your harsh tone early in the morning.
PN, maybe you should care, since I’m someone that you can correspond with by this blogosphere and learn from instead of the trio of black outfielders with the Braves. I’m not PC, and I call it as it is you haven’t mentioned one thing about the talent or even what the brothers bring to the table for the team statistically because you don’t know anything about them other than their color. I don’t hate other blacks; however I’m very disappointed that so many of them like you are so closed minded to obtaining individual success and freedom in America. You rather rely on Leviathan as the leaders you worship divide the country with class warfare, corruption and lies. What’s even more ridiculous is that you believe it without checking other sources. Remember the quote “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer “That’s how I’m able to make an informed decision because along with FOX, I watch some MSNBC, CNN, talk radio especially Herman Cain and then conduct my individual research to confirm what I’m presenting. Wading through the fog is definitely hard work, are you up for the challenge PN?
Power and speed, Braves win again against Phillies 9-2. Justin Upton and Jason Heyward each deliver two-run homers.
Hu: no. More war stories:
My dad bought it for me and when I went into the Army he asked and I told him to sell it. Looking back, it was really something. We had a three-piece group and I had a 1967 Chevy Van 90 to lug the thing around. We used to hump it (must have weighed 250 pounds of absolutely dead, awkward weight) up flights of stairs; through winter snowstorms; you name it. One time, we even carried it up the outside of a building via the fire escape to get it to where we needed to set up. It's amazing the stuff you will do or try when you're a kid. My biggest regret was that I never learned to play the footpedals (walking bass), plus I couldn't afford to pair it properly with a Leslie speaker system. (It came with a "tone cabinet" system which gave you amplification but not much more.)
Looking back you tend to remember only good times, but if you've seen the 1980 movie "The Blues Brothers," there were MANY nights which ended like the one at Bob's Country Bunker where the last words spoken to close out the evening were:"Let's get the hell out of here." ( (Every time I see that scene I ROTFLMAO because those words are an exact quote except we said them more than 10 years earlier.)
Wow Sebe...A Hammond B3 !!! I was not sophisticated enough for jazz but I played keyboards, first on a Farfisa then a double keyboard Conn with a Leslie in a garage rock band called the KnightRaiders. Cool name at the time. Our lead guitarist rigged me up to a Vox bass amplifier such that the massess could hear my missed notes. Our genre of music was covering Beatles, Rascals, Animals, Troggs (Wild Thing), Sam and Dave, Little Anthony and the Imperials, Stones, ? and the Mysterians and other one hit wonders;Shadows of Night: Gloria, etc. etc. Could not afford a Hammond B3. Musta been nice to have one.
Hi Jimmy: It was. I couldn't afford it either, but I was fortunate to have parents who spoiled their only child. I did pay for part of it, but with my income limited to $30 bucks a gig, I didn't contribute a whole lot. As I recall, the Hammond cost about $1900, and the tone cabinet speaker cost about $450. At that time, they weren't selling Hammonds mated with a Leslie speaker, and the Leslie would have cost $1200 from another source and then I would have had to have it mated. I wanted one, but I just couldn't bring myself to ask the old man to kick out even more dough - especially since they suprised me with the B-3 as a birthday present. (It was obviously the best gift I've ever received in my lifetime, and by far the most expensive.)
As I recall, a Farfisa was THE keyboard to have if you played in a rockin'-style band back then, and I am very familiar with the other brands of electric organs. My guitar guy absolutely HATED the sound of a Lowery, and he took the opportunity to say so every time he heard one. Before I got the B-3, I had a "portable" too. Wasn't a Farfisa or "name brand," but I can't recall who made it.
Back then, Jimmy Smith was my hero, and I had a pretty good ear and could mimic a lot of his improvisational "licks." Charles "Black Talk" Earland, Brother Jack McDuff, Jimmy McGriff, and Richard "Groove" Holmes were others that we all tried to copy. Groove was my second-favorite, but NOBODY could hold a candle to Jimmy Smith. Our group played all of his jazz hits as part of our routine sets. Unfortunately, few in the the audiences we usually played for were jazz afficianados. Consequently, at the weddings, banquets, bar-mitzvahs and nursing homes, we played a whole lot of Hava Nagilas, Tarantellas, Bunny Hops, and Beer Barrel Polkas to a fairly raucous reception. Unfortunately - to our chagrin - our Jimmy Smith and Groove Holmes stuff usually put 'em to sleep or sent 'em to the bar or the rest room.
Dem were da days, weren't they! Making music and picking up a few bucks. I really enjoyed that era and I am sure you did too.
Yes, Jimmy – those were memorable times. It’s incredible – just writing about it here brings the memories flooding back in such incredible detail. One of the reasons I really like “The Blues Brothers” is that it contains so many scenes that absolutely nail the life and times of a “professional” musician. (Also – it’s always a kick when a movie is made in your home town. Every time you view it, you’re transported back to all those familiar settings and landmarks - right there up on the screen – frozen in time. The 95th Street Bridge where the car jump occurs about 10 minutes into the film is only twelve city blocks from my house.) There are two scenes in particular that are really funny based on my experience as a musician that might not hit home to everybody who sees the film.
*The first one happens in the “Armada Room” at the Holiday Inn where Jake and Elwood are trying to “recruit” the former members of the band. The current status of two absent members (Matt “Guitar” Murphy” and “Mr. Fabulous” – trumpet player Alan Rubin) is being discussed. It turns out that Matt is flippin’ burgers at his Maxwell Street restaurant (where it looks like he actually works for his wife, portrayed by Aretha Franklin). Mr. Fabulous is in the food services industry as well (albeit employed in a “ritzier” place). The funny thing to me is Willie the drummer’s statement that: “You'll never get Matt and Mr. Fabulous out of them high payin’ gigs.” “High payin’ gigs” indeed!!! (High paying compared to what a typical musician might be bringing in, which makes Matt and Mr. Fabulous look like rich men to “Murph and the Magictones”).
*The other scene is after they finish up at Bob’s Country Bunker. The real “Good Ole Boys” show up just as the Blues Brothers are trying to make a hasty escape. Jake puts off a confrontation by posing as a representative of “the American Federation of Musicians, Local 200” who has “been sent here to see if you gentlemen are carrying your permits.” This is such a classic situation to which any NON-union musician back then and there can immediately relate. Until my group got our “union cards,” we were visited on several occasions by AFof M "leg-breakers” (actual or implied), who always seemed to pop up out of nowhere to make sure that non-union members weren’t “taking the food off the table“ of union members by playing paid gigs.
Dem were da days - ABSOLUTELY!
I apologize also PN. Just two wild and crazy keyboard players out of sync with the blogs intent. Which doesn't necessarily describe Sebe but it fits me. I saw the Hammond B3 comment and a section of my brain that had lain dormant for 40+ years lit up. Sorry.
PN, I'm glad that the Braves outfield have you exiceted; however I have to inform everyone that Cliff Lee shut down the bats last night held the Braves to a measley 2 hits and lost 2-0 to the Philadephia Phillies last night.
I'm expecting the bats to howl tonight against Chiefs Chicago Cubs at Turner Field tonight !
Awwwww Funky - now you're hitting home. But don't be surprised if the games are close and low-scoring. The Cubs main pitching problem is their CLOSER. Their starters and set-up men are solid.
I am really torn between these two teams when they meet. Considering where I'm from and where I live now, I look at it as "I can't lose - no matter who wins."
I'm late in this. But who cares whether they are black? The ONLY thing I care about is if they can produce? Can they play well.
....asI said - the Braves bats are going to howl tonight! But seriously: I do like where they are with their pitching, defense, and the offense will score runs. I even like their announcers. The Carey family have always been my favorites, and I was very unhappy when they ran Chip and Steve Stone out of Chicago after the 2004 season. (Steve got his revenge - he's been the color commentator for the White Sox for several years.) I was glad to see the Bravos picked up Reed Johnson. He will be a valuable utility man and pinch hitter. He's a GREAT locker room guy, too.
Yes, Mike Minor continued his second half dominance in pitching for a 4-1 win last night 4/5/13.
Tonight the Braves really showed what the bats can do by coming from behind 5-1 in the bottom of the 8th inning by scoring 3 runs closing the deficit to 5-4 with the top of the order coming up at the bottom of the 9th. BJ Upton hit his 1st home run of the year and tied the game 5-5. Jason Heyward flied out to RF and Justin Upton hit his 2nd home run to win the game 6-5. My homies were GREAT and this will be an exciting season for the Braves barring significant injuries :D, Sorry Chief MVB!
Yeah, Funky. Braves done good but once again the CLOSER meltdown hands another game to the Cubs' opponent. I'm REALLY glad I decided to watch the Final Four tonite. I hate it when either team blows it in the 9th. I got the Braves-Cubs news via twitter feed.
Michigan is letting SYR back into the game, much like Witchita St did in the first game. Should be a good final game no matter who goes against LOU.