I understand. We beat this one up in an earlier blog:
No fair, MikeLongCounty...alias Elvis (the slim good looking one not the fat bloated one.) you are a professional writer. And a very good one that I hold immense respect for. I am pleading with you to not come here by lowering your standards. Not many of us will be able to keep up with you.
So I, JimmyMack, am calling a timeout on how I am going to respond to you. I gotta ponder this one what with you being a pro and all and I being a bozo.
MikeLongCounty, I don't know who you are,unless you are the fireman plumber.
It really does not matter at all.
You have just posted a blog which says exactly what needs to be said.
I don't care who or what you are, I want to express my gratitude to you for this particular blog pst.
I like it.
Mike is an exceptional expressionist of those on the right. And unlike me, he don't fight dirty. Therein lies his trump card for many.
Should he become active here will force me into a catotonic state or come up with cleaner response to his views.
That will be difficult for me.
So MikeLongCounty has created a new paradighm. That in its self alone will alter my strategy on this here cyper bathroom wall.
This post put down everybody from gays to working single mothers who get assistance. Not seeing anything exceptional Jimmy. Just the same ole same ole. So maybe Mike the staffer, if you could please direct me on how to get off of these here boards. I have seen too much hate and bigotry and I do not care to listen to any more of it. I try to overlook a lot, but this and the scout blog did me in. You see, the majority of you think my son is nothing but crap. Not worthy of anything another human that God made is worthy of. My son is perfect, made by God, and I wouldn't change a hair on his head. I I surely hope that every one of you who have such disdain for gays, especially kids (who I would think would be a child of God in your eyes) are living a perfect damn life and living the Bible you throw around down to the letter. I hope your sins are not judged as easily as you are judging someone else, and I surely hope you are not blessed with a gay child. I hope God will put it in your heart to learn acceptance and love for all.. Jesus wanted us to love all if I am not mistaken. I have watched some put down gays, oh and now they are all pedophiles, people who need assistance like they were trash. And btw make sure YOU aren't ON assistance when you do that, its hypocritical. Not a one of you are better than anyone. This isn't about all of you. Some I enjoy your posts. But some are just hateful. Nevermind Mike, I will call the Courier and see how to get my account closed. I won't be back for any responses, I dont care what they are to be honest, and my feelings are hurt enough that my son is being talked about like he is an animal instead of a person. Jimmy Mack, keep giving them hell.
Froggy, do NOT let them run you off. I can understand if you desire not to participate tho. The sanctimonius Bible thumpers talk it tough a lot, but they are still here and will be around for awhile until they come to terms with this forever changing world of ours.
The facts and numbers, however, are on our side and this truly gets their goat.
The more advances in cultural change in America evolve the more the intolerance will come out from the hard core right. They are becoming more desperate and in many cases downright scary.
However, all of them do not belong in the compost bin. MLC is one of them. He is a stand up guy and tho we disagree on many points I have yet to see him behave barbaricly. He is a reasonable conservative and can articulate his conservatism in a reasonable manner.
In the end tho, Froggy: DON't LEAVE.
Froggy as you will note, my blog attacks no one and it makes no reference to homosexuals being pedophiles or being any less of a person than you or me. Though I hate to use the old adage "one of my best friends is a "this or a that" what I will say is that I have a few friends who are gay, one of whom I was a mentor for as they completed a year long assignment in high school; for this person I also recommended them for several scholarships. I also have written a letter of recommendation for a person who is gay and reviewed their portfolio, at their request, to help them get a job. I don't tell you this to receive any accolades, but to only try to express to you that I do not hate, detest, or dislike people because they are homosexual or heterosexual. However having said that I stand behind my stance that no organization ought to be "bullied" by politically motivated court challenges.The BSA have said they do not condone this lifestyle. That is the BSA's right, and it shouldn't have to change, even though I know it will. You obviously from your post, have a son who is gay, and you are right I cannot say that I know how I would act if a child of mine chose to live in this manner. I probably would defend them, pray for them, and support them because I love them. But what I could not do is dispute what the Bible says about their choice, and say that I condone their behavior. No differently than I could condone their behavior if they made the choices of getting drunk, not working, using God's name in vain, talking about someone, or any other action that the Bible deems wrong. And though I am by no means perfect, and believe me, I don't have the right to point out the splinter of sins in other people's eyes, because of the plank that is often times in my own eye. But though I don't always do "right", I do always know where to get the information on what is "right." That's in the Bible. JimmyMack and I go back a long ways, at one time we probably disagreed on about 90% of what we would call political issues, but even though we disagreed, we always got along, and were friends. Today as we've gotten older, we probably both have gotten a little softer on some of our views, and a little harder on some of our other views...but we probably agree on more today than we did 15 years ago. But right now we both could sit down with each other, cut up, and still be friends; I probably could even be friends with his brother, who is from another college, aint that right JimmyMack. Froggy, I value your opinion just like I always valued JimmyMack's. People who are willing to put their names out, or their faces out, for all to see when they voice an opinion, are not those people, who only like to get "atta-boys" from those who agree with them. Progress is only achieved through dialogue from people who see things differently, but who are willing to take a stand and talk about it. If you were offended, I hate that, it never was my intention to offend anyone.
JimmyMack you still are as eloquent and as smooth as you ever were. When I read your initial post, I told my wife "That has got to be Jimmy D", and I wasn't referring to the guy who use to make sausage, God rest his soul. Then I looked at your profile, and it seemed like old times again. You asking me, am I going to grace these digital pages, with my soft-spoken views...probably not, well maybe occasionally. It's not that I don't have the heart, or the "gumption" as we use to say, its just I am fairly busy, with my family activities, occupational endeavors, and activities in Long County. Not a lot of time to spare, and when I do have it, I like to spend it with the wife and kids. But as for you Mr. JimmyMack, you keep plugging away. Just like Tom told his brother Rudy as he was dying in Rich Man, Poor May..."You go get em Rudy (or I will say Jimmy Mack), you go get em, the bad guys."
Forggy please don't leave. enjoy your posts greatly. While I agree that no organizaton should be bulled into somethng they feel is morally wrong but when you suck on the government's teat, they can call the shots. If the BS wants to limit who is in their club, then they should only accept private donations.
the government has not giving the scouts money in years. why do people keep saying that they do, they stopped years ago.
1. You have to have thick skin to get in any blog!
2.Not everyone is going to believe in, or think as you!
3. Don't be a wuss! Stand up and fight for what you believe in.
4. If you run, they "WIN"!
With that said, don't run away! Stand up...
i was in scouts when they use to support us. the soldiers from black diamonds on post built the old scout camp in Riceboro. they also supplied ammo for the rifle range. the military gained from that due to the large number of scouts that became snipers later. they also let us use field camp grounds for camporees. even at hunter. i remember camping at hunter when the rangers went on a real world alert once and we had to leave real quick. but that was in the past due to other groups wanting to use the land for other purposes.
"... if you could please direct me on how to get off of these here boards."
Believe it or not, this place is tame compared to the way it was a year or even six months ago. Most of what is described as "hate" speech around here are opposing views which people don't like/want to hear. While on these here boards, I often think of the lyrics from that old '60's tune which begins "Put you hand in the hand of the man who stilled the water...." But the most significant part (to me) goes:
"Take a look at yourself and you can look at others differently..."
Taking a look at yourself - IMHO - also involves demonstrating the TOLERANCE that is so often paid lip-service to but frequently applies only one-way in our society. From what I see, those on the left often scream for tolerance and then go ballistic with "hate" when confronted by an opposing view.
But regardless - I, too, will "echo" the sentiments of the majority:
Froggy - don't go.
"Should he become active here will force me into a catotonic state or come up with cleaner response to his views."
...and MLC - welcome.
"You see, the majority of you think my son is nothing but crap."
I don't think so. I, too, have a homosexual relative in my "immediate family," and he is loved by the family like every other. But that doesn't change what I as a person have seen and learned in my lifetime about what I feel is best for our society-at-large. I could be short-sighted and howl for what is best for "me and mine," but I do not believe - in this particular instance - that what is best for me and mine is best for society, either now or for future generations.
I pass this along so that readers can understand the context of my comments.
Your comment just above from Sunday, Feb 3,2013 is says what I think best responds to this particular issue.
Froggy I apologize if I hurt your feelings. That certainly was not my intent.
We each and everyone are different and we all have our personal "cross to bear".
I'd like to see less personal attacks hurled back and forth on this site.
And continued meaningful discussion.
MikeLongCounty, Jimmy Mack's assessment of your writing skill is spot on.
The initial blog above is a very thorough statement concerning the issue and it is done without wasting words.
I appreciate your having taken the time to post it.
It needed to have been said.
Thank you Coastal Courier
I do not hate gay people I hate the lifestyle.
Research reveals that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan. With all the attention on smoking, which the National Cancer Institute says takes from 7 to 10 years off someone's life, why not the same human outcry on homosexuality? Here's a behavior that's killing people 2 to 3 times the rate of smoking, yet nobody seems to care. In fact, we are encouraging and affirming individuals into the "gay" lifestyle. If you truly love someone, you would steer them away from self-destructive behaviors, rather than towards them, shouldn't you? Homosexuals need our tough love, not blind love, the kind of love that is going to love them no matter what they say and do. We must extend that helping hand and say " I think your worth saving, let's work on it together.
Mountain, are you serious right now? The so called "research" in which you are quoting, used data collected from 1987 to 1992. You also misrepresented the study with the following: "that homosexuality, whether male or female, can take anywhere from 10, 20 to 30 years off of someone's lifespan."
Your Quote in its entirety is from the conclusion on The Road To Emmaus website. Which used Reference: Oxford Journals Medicine International Journal of Epidemiology Volume 26, Issue 3 Pp. 657-661. Modeling the impact of HIV disease on mortality in gay and bisexual men.
"In 2004, Harry Rosenberg, the mortality-statistics chief at the US National Center for Health Statistics, said he was unaware of any evidence that HIV-negative gays have a lower life expectancy than other males. He also suggested the HIV-negative gay male may actually live longer on average than the straight male. Gays may have higher incomes and more education on average than straights - two factors powerfully correlated with longer life spans."
There is really no data on a Lesbian's Life Span. Just in case you were wondering!
I particularly love your opening statement: "I do not hate gay people I hate the lifestyle." I find it amusing and sad! Because obviously, you do HATE! That, is a Self Destructive Behavior and there have been REAL studies done on that!
If I say I’m a Bible believing Christian, I’d be a hypocrite and unfaithful to the God I serve if I said I agree with homosexuality, because yes, the Bible does clearly call it a sin, just as it says heterosexual sex outside of marriage is a sin. Now, because I do not agree with the lifestyle does NOT mean I hate homosexuals. I have several homosexual friends, and one of them being a best friend, and they can certainly attest to the fact that I love them no less than anyone else.
Mountain and garciad68 I don't know much about the studies you are making referance to but I do know that I've known many homosexuals over the years and several of them died at early ages.
So have many heteros tot. And quoting one of your heroes Ronald Reagan: There you go again.
If you are referring to STD's e.g. AIDs, it may surprise you to know that it is epidemic in heterosexual populations and not just Gay ones.