Boy Scouts Exploring Lifting Ban
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Suprised no one has touched this one yet. Another derivitive of our current admistrations I'm ok everybodys ok view point has bullied the Boy Scouts of America to allow gay membership and leadership. Essentially it has been forced to compromise it's core values. I am involved in Scouts; the reverance a young man has for their Scoutmaster is significant. This coupled with the trust the parents put in the Scoutmaster to mentor and guide thier Sons empowers the Scoutmaster with the duty to do just that. I am not going to say this is a religous issue, I am not going to say it is political issue. This comes down to an orginization that has mentored and guided millions of young men to be outstanding citizens and in many cases pillars of a community. This has been accomplished by teaching and instilling Duty to God, Duty to Country, and Duty to self. The teachings have never been related to sexual situations nor orientation. By lifting this ban it results in adult leaders being forced to contridict their faith and values. Furthermore the expectation will be that Scoutmasters will have to condone the gay lifestyle and teach their boys that it is no big deal...Have their been gay leaders or boys in Scouts? Yes however, it was not made a focal point nor part of the teachings of Scouts. I know for fact that the teachings of Scouting have a profound effect on a young man. It teaches him to disregard the depravity of society and to serve his community, his nation, and his world. Ultimetely Scouting is being asked to teach that being gay is normal and is just the same as a heterosexual relationship. Bottom line, Scouting should not be made to do this; this is no differant than saying that the gay lifestyle should be part of a curriculum in our schools. This is a parenting issue and should be left there. I will not be able to teach this and am not sure what my place in Scouting will be anymore as I refuse to compromise my values.

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gacpl commented on Wednesday, Jan 30, 2013 at 09:36 AM

I haven't been active the last couple of years, but i was involved in scouts going back to 1976, i feel it's a sad day for all scouts, presents and past scouts.

gacpl commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 08:58 AM

before looking into pedophiles issues, people need to realize the boy scouts are a religious group. being gay does not fit with religion.

up2sumptin commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Not so gacpl. Being gay does not "fit" with traditional Christian ethics but to say it doesn't fit with relgion is not true. There are many regligions which embrace its homosexual members. My stance is, once you accept money from the government, you lose your right to pick and chose.

HMJC commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 13:53 PM

All Adult leaders have to pass abackground check. They also have to take mandatory classess that prescribe the process of Scouting. Scouting does teach boys about "bad touch" good touch" We also have a policy of two deep leadership that means two adults at a minimum have to be present to engage in any type of scouting.

up2sumptin commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 15:56 PM

Homosexuality does not equal pedophile anymore that heterosexuals equal rape. Just saying.

froggy commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 18:24 PM

Sexual Predators because they are gay? There is no evidence anywhere from any study, and there have been plenty, that suggests that homosexual men are more likely than heterosexual men to molest a child. Pedophiles molest children. They are adults attracted to children. A man that is attracted to a man is not the same thing as a man attracted to a boy.
So it is not a matter of adult sexual orientation, it is a matter of being fixated on a child. Here's a great article of all the research that has been done. Again, nowhere
has it been seen where a gay person is more likely to molest children, pedophiles do that.

Its a shame we are so far off from gays having the anywhere near the same rights as others. These are KIDS. And are being punished for something thats no fault of their own, for simply being who they are. And to tell them they are not good enough because they are different is just sad. It breaks my heart that a little boy may want to join and is not allowed because adults think they are not worthy. Seems like tolerance and understanding would be taught but guess not. It really saddens me but this is how it is. People are entitled to how they feel about it. I just wish they didn't.

Being gay is not a choice, hating one or not accepting one is taught. Kids aren't born to dislike anyone. When they are taught in this way, these are the one's who bully and when they get bullied and are not accepted this is what we get:

froggy commented on Thursday, Jan 31, 2013 at 18:37 PM

I really doubt some if any will watch the video, its my experience people close their minds and only see what they want to see. And a video of so many of our youth who have committed sucide, with kids that look like any one of yours or my kids isn't pretty. But it's reality, and something that has to stop. I will say one more thing. Don't think any of you couldn't end up with a gay child or grandchild. Trust me it can happen. Hopefully some would have a change of heart in that case. If not how tragic it would be for that child.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:01 AM

froggy, I watched all of it. Not sure what to say but I think it is not going to be beneficial to the future of the Boy Scouts of America to lift their ban.

HMJC commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 07:59 AM

My saddnes to all of this is that Scouts was one of the last orginizations that refused to cahnge their corp values. It tought young men that it is important to stand up for your beliefs and not to compromise your values.

gacpl commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 10:11 AM

i was a scout growing up and my kids were scouts. i speak from a position of being part of the group, not from a liberal point of lets make this group do this even though i have no dog in the fight. boy scouts are a christian group, a religious group. gays are not welcome or wanted, they do not fit in. the bible say it is a abomination for a man to lay with another man. that leaves no place for gays. the scouts hasn't received government funds for a number of years, so that point is out. but they use to, and the government gained a lot from it. 80% of all valor awards giving during korea and vet nam were to former scouts. 26 of the 29 first astronauts were scouts. the list goes on and. it is not about whether gays are pedophiles, its a lifestyle not compatible with Christianity.

A Scout is Trustworthy.

A Scout is Loyal.

A Scout is Helpful.

A Scout is Friendly.

A Scout is Courteous.

A Scout is Kind.

A Scout is Obedient.

A Scout is Cheerful.

A Scout is Thrifty.

A Scout is Brave.

A Scout is Clean.

A Scout is REVERENT.

up2sumptin commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 10:21 AM

OK, so if then we should do away with all Scout Master who: Are divorced and remarried, who gossip, who have had sex before marriage, who eat pork, shellfish and cheeseburgers, who wear polyester, and so forth and so on. The Bible says the wages of sin is death. From a little white lie to men like Hitler and Stalin. ALL sin is abominable in God's eyes. So if you're gonna preach homosexuality is a sin then you have to take all the Bible and not just the stuff your not doing.

up2sumptin commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 12:18 PM

That's just it Seb, you don't have to send your kids to school, you can homeschool or send them to a private one what has similar values and beleifs. They don't have to be in the scouts. Many churches have scout-like organizations. For example, the Adventist church here in town has an active Pathfinders orgainzation. Do I think homosexuality is a sin, yes but so are so many things we do everyday without a thought. Do I stop being friends with people who are sinning diffrently from me? No. The basis of God's law is mercy and love.

HMJC commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 12:31 PM

I Circle around to my original post. Scouting teaches waht "right" looks like. These young men are very impressionable. They take to heart the Scout Oath and Scout Law. Scouting Mission is not to support ones sexualality. It is based on developing young men to be a productive member of society. It needs to be left as that

timeontarget commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 14:09 PM

I would not choose to have a homosexual child.

Because it is abnormal.

A man who cannot bring himself to lay with a woman simply should spend his life laying with no one.

Abstain from sinfull abnormal behavor.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 14:14 PM

If fate should determine that I might be confronted with a descendant who found themselve to be not capable of heterosexual life, I would advise that individual to ba asexual and not cross the line to homosexuality.

If they could not resist the urge to enter into a homosexual relationship I'd advise them to keep it a private thisg.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 15:47 PM

I would advise that individual to be asexual and not cross the line to homosexuality.

Sheran commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 20:17 PM

All this got started with a petition online! They got enough signatures to get it to move forward. I got one in my e-mail! NO, I did NOT sign it. It only takes one predator to create more vampires. If someone here would like to stop this get more signatures on a petition! REPEAL this NOW! I'll sign it...
Here's your link...

lholmes commented on Friday, Feb 01, 2013 at 23:35 PM

I hope they don't cave!

timeontarget commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 07:07 AM

If they do cave it will destroy the Boy Scouts of America.

That would be a sad day.

Sheran commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 14:03 PM

Saw this on ID channel today, thought I would share,

Sheran commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 14:31 PM

I posted the link above to fast... You have to watch it on ID channel only. Here's a different link same story..

up2sumptin commented on Saturday, Feb 02, 2013 at 20:49 PM

IMHO Jimmy, I think God has stated what he approves and disapproves of. That being said, I have a problem with those who point the sin finger at other people but who are sinning just as openly. God has said the wages of sin is death. All sin, from gossiping to mass murder, is all the same to God. Only man says this sin is worse than that one. So unless you're gonna use the same ruler for everyone, ie no divorced persons, no one who is gulity of fornification etc, then to pick one sin and try to elevate it above another is wrong. We are all God's children and we all fall short of the mark. Don't you think as christians it is about time we started to live what we preach?

up2sumptin commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 17:04 PM

Seb when it comes to Godlessness, we are already there and then some.

lholmes commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 19:46 PM

pick up the Bible. God is indeed love, but he is also brutal destruction for those that go against his word. Look it up. We all know of Sodom and Gommorah. Then there is a group that rebelled against Moses...led by a man named Korah. In the Bible, God opened up the ground and swallowed up his entire family. How about the Egyptian army chasing Moses? I think archeologists are still digging them up today. Plenty examples of love, but plenty examples of God destroying people too.

up2sumptin commented on Sunday, Feb 03, 2013 at 20:51 PM

Yes Iholmes but there are plenty of examples of him showing mercy instead of destruction too.

BillMacDonald commented on Thursday, Feb 07, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Hate to say it but teaching intolrance is not okay. First Homosexuals are not paedophiles or child molesters. Paedophiles and child molesters are usually not admittedly homosexual in fact. Someone is not going to come out and say if I am a Scout leader, I will molest those kids. If they did that would be easy... yet so many are molested in scouting... in the Catholic Church ... Inother ministries. Not because of tolerance, no it is because of availablity to the child plain and simple. If some is admitedly gay they are not who you have to worry about hurting your kids!

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