Debt Ceiling
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Our Current President chided congress in 2006 stating "Failure to maintain our current debt ceiling is a leadership failure" 2012, " America is not a deadbeat, we need to raise the debt ceiling to pay our bills" I guess it all depends on what side of his mouth he is talking out of....

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up2sumptin commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 18:40 PM

This is how I see the problem. BHO is in a catch-22. Nothing he does will be the right thing. In order to manage the debt ceiling he has to raise revene (taxes) and cut spending. Neither is popular. And what does he cut? Right now he on his plate is Sandy,SNAP, Meicaid/Medicare, Social Secuirty, education, arts and sciences, Obamacare, Big Bird, the military, etc. All of these programs are near and dear to most people. What to save, what to cut and what programs to discontinue? No decision he makes will be the "right" one. You couldn't pay me enough to do his job.

Sheran commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 20:25 PM

Good point, up2.
Sandy: Get the "pork" out, it will pass.
SNAP: Do as sebem said, keep up with their transactions to catch fraud.
Medicare/Medicaid: Catch errors, double billing, and "audit" them .
Social security and education, leave it alone.
Obamacare: Was done behind close doors!

Big Bird: Can support itself threw sells of clothes, toys, books, ect.
Military: SUPPORT THEM 100%.............

up2sumptin commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 20:46 PM

Even with all he pork and fraud gone, there are tough decisions to be made as that a lone will not balance the budget. Descisions that will not be popular with anyone. When I said Big Bird, I was speaking of programs like Seasme Street.

Sheran commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 20:51 PM

So was "I". Seasme Street sells alot of things to be self supporting.

Funkentelecky commented on Tuesday, Jan 15, 2013 at 21:58 PM

Here is President, then Senator Obama on raising the debt ceiling on March 20, 2006. The National debt was about 6, but less than 7 trillion.

Here is Senator Obama calling George W. Bush irresponsible and unpatriotic for accumulating 4T in 8 years.

Even he acknowledges that we have a spending problem and one of his promises was to sign legislation to cut the National debt in half. Why so many that voted for him have forgotten this promise, and do principles really matter?

I think we have stumbled upon a situation that we can truly agree upon as long as we stick to principles here. I addressed this issue and was in an honest debate with Chief MVB back in July 2011 debt ceiling crises. Check out my post in the blog on 7/27/11 at 20:32, I outline it all there. And remember Boehner is the Speaker of the house and #3 in the chain of command. See the blog Smoke and Mirrors below!

“Article I, Section 7.1: All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.”

Shutting Leviathan down is not a default because there is still enough revenue to pay the national debt, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and Active duty soldiers. All the other entitlements discussed in this blog, should be put on the table for cutting because they influence dependence which is not what our country was built upon and is not what influences greatness within the individual.

Also America elected the Republicans to stay in charge of the House and revenue, if they wanted BHO to do his will without checks and balances they would be out and Nancy Pelosi IN.

John Boehner hasn’t refused to raise the debt limit; he has proposed a balanced approach of 1 dollar cuts to each dollar revenue increase even after the fiscal cliff deal when BHO bullied the Republicans into 41 dollar revenue increases to 1 dollar of cuts. The Speaker owns this debate on principles based on law, the US Constitution and the word shall is absolute in legal terms with the Legislative branch being an equal to the Executive in regards to authorized power. Can BHO be a true leader with divide government like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan? Inquiring minds like to know and are waiting for Federal government to work together, triangulate the best ideas from each party and be successful in governing!

up2sumptin commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 01:09 AM

You cannot rob Peter to pay Paul. Our government needs to stop with all the "tricks" and do what is needed to be done already.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 08:37 AM

I concur that any decesion will not please everyone. I just can't get past that there is no tangible way to reduce spending in a common sense manner that produces tangible results. It is out there, but to be honest I don't feel an candid objective assessment is being conducted. One area I think we should look at is the billions in forgien aid; I can't wrap my head around why this is not seriously looked at. We seem to have no problem with burdoning our own people with tax increases and sequestrian inititives but continue to state that there is "no" money to be had. I don'r know folks, pretty frustrating overall as there is no actionable recourse for us....

up2sumptin commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 09:47 AM

I respectfully disagree ASmith. Suppose you had a close family member that lost their house to a fire. Helping them is a no brainer, they're family. So you give them some money to help them back on their feet. Well that wasn't free money you plucked out of the air. Since you've taken the money from your household budget (our government with a savings plan? LOL) you're going to have to cut back somewhere. You might eat less, do less recreational activites orcut back how much you put in the collection plate. The same is with the government. The money must come from somewhere. That means cuts have to be made. I do agree though, victims of Sandy should not have to wait this long to receive help.

up2sumptin commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Excuse me ASmith, please read the last line of my repsonse again. And yes, the money does have to come from somewhere.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 16:07 PM

" I will have more latitude once re-elected" Need I say more

Funkentelecky commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 18:31 PM

ASmith, Congress is a separate and equal branch of government within the constitution, King George is dead and we don't play that in America. We have the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches of government and an avowed conservative saved Obamacare because of congress authority to tax, and there are 21 new taxes in that flaw that will hit all of us. President Obama said himself we have a spending problem and he would cut the deficit in half in his 1st term. John Boehner should hold his stance as the #3 in the chain of command and hold BHO to that broken promise because it is principled , the law and the right thing to do. Most of us can put political affiliation aside when we engage on principles and not emotions and personal beliefs as Progreeives do!

Funkentelecky commented on Wednesday, Jan 16, 2013 at 19:52 PM

I'm not being a parody; however you are insisting the President to do something he's not authorized to. In Welfare not Medicare you were for the constitution , and in this blog you're not. I'm for the constitution 99.9% of the time because tadhering to it is fair and the right thing to do! Do want the President to get impeached?

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 05:24 AM

News flash for you and the rest of the uninformed, GWB went to congress and procured congressional approval with resounding bipartisan support. The Dems tried to kick him to the curve once the war went sour. That's why they weren't put on trial my dear, there was no legality to it. The Democrats controlled both chambers of congress in GWB's last two years, if they could do it they would have. Why don't you read the constitution and arm yourself, so that you won't believe progressive talking points as being gospel.

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 17:42 PM

Yes ASmith, I’m drunk on the truth :D

And on Sunshine: D

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 18:31 PM

ASmith, if you are so informed explain how GWB and Cheney can be tried for war crimes with they got approval from Congress by a 70% margin, and look at the prominant democrats that voted for it Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Edwards, Evan Bayh, Zell Miller and many more?

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 18:38 PM

Joe Biden and Harry Reid too, and if the GOP's favorability is as low as you say it's because the grossly and emotionally uninformed like you who lack principles!

HuDhat1 commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 21:05 PM

I don't care what anybody's favorability rating is or whether or not they get reelected. None of them. If you've got the goods on Bush and Cheney put them on trial and get it over with for pete's sake.

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 21:41 PM

They can't HuDhat1, because it's all smoke and mirrors with 0% substance and no legal reason to go forward with nothing more needed to be said!

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 21:54 PM

ASmith, let’s cut to the chase and see if you have values and principles. I post this blog last year and listen to crickets from left leaning people like you. So is it ok for a sitting US Senator to lie to his constituents like this?

An honest response without progressive talking points would be highly appreciated!

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 22:25 PM

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, you are incapable of an honest debate and that's not an opinion it is a fact, based on your personal responses!You own them my dear.

Funkentelecky commented on Thursday, Jan 17, 2013 at 22:28 PM

Goodnight, work is awaitig me in the morning!

Fannie73 commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Funkie apparently doesn't know what is meant by "self parody," though he seems to like engaging in it.

Not prosecuting Bushco, for the same reason Ford let Nixon walk, makes about as much legal sense as Ford's pardon. It might be nice to tell the nation to move on for the sake of not further tearing it apart but, at the end of the day, it lowers the bar for future behavior. It would have been great to see Tricky Dick behind bars but that didn't happen. Likewise, we will just have to settle for the reality of the rest of the world wanting to prosecute Bush and Cheney but the US, as usual, refusing to allow these two US citizens to come under the jurisdiction of international law. It's nothing new for the US as it often holds itself to different legal standards when acting in the international arena. It's why the United States is so overwhelmingly popular in the countries where it has a footprint.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 15:00 PM

Is the United States overwhelmingly popular in the countries where it has a footprint?

I don't think we are very popular in any of the countries that we have gone to war in the past twenty or thirty years.

What are the other countries in which we are overwhealmingly popular.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Jan 18, 2013 at 15:03 PM

I too would like to see a debate between ASmith and Fannie73.

Maybe it will continue here on this site.

We've had a pretty good start to the new year.

Hope we all have a good week-end.

Funkentelecky commented on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 15:35 PM

Funkie apparently doesn't know what is meant by "self parody," though he seems to like engaging in it.

Fannie73, I looked the word up in the dictionary before I responded; and I wholeheartedly didn’t see the comparison, maybe I’m biased go ahead and enlighten me with an example. However it’s no more than S.I.N.

Switch the subject
Ignore the facts
Name calling

Because GWB went to Congress with its 435 US Representatives, the US Senate with its 100 Senators and garnered 373 Yea votes 70%, 156 Nay votes 29% and 6 Present votes 1%
If Bush lied people died, all 375 of them should be tried for war crimes, not just two. Bush and Cheney used the law of the constitution and got the permission to act before doing so.

Do principles and the rule of law even matter?

Funkentelecky commented on Saturday, Jan 19, 2013 at 16:27 PM

The President should invoke the 14th Amendment, thus ending this manufactured crises and depriving the Republicans of yet another way to hold the country, and in this case the world, hostage so that they can get their way.

It's people like Funkentelecky who have caused the GOP to have an unfavorable public opinion rating of 45%. Their positive rating is 30%.
The thing is this. Most people in this country don't like uninformed paranoid freaks--but that is who the GOP leadership panders to.

An honest response? You're just not too bright. That's my opinion in all honesty.

ASmith here is Section 5 of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

The Congress shall have power to enforce by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Shall is absolute in legal terms, and King George is dead.

Here is a copy of the US Constitution, so that you may verify for yourself.

How can President Obama invoke something he has no power of?

This is the greatness of our constitution, and we all should hold our representatives responsible for their actions regardless of race, creed or color.

We need to start working to get out from under all of this debt NOW. To force compromise, the Republicans only have one item of "leverage" to move the President to the center: the debt ceiling. IMHO - if they cave on that, they lose whatever credibility they have left as the party of small government and fiscal responsibility.

On principle alone the GOP needs to stand fast and stay the course.

I agree with sebekm, A.K.A. Chief MVB and in this situation so should we all by principles and rule law!

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