Well, ifn you believe anybody, Up2, I think it was Michael Corleone who said: "If history has taught us anything it is that you can kill anybody."
I might 'magin theres a few right wingers out there that would like to get him and others in their cross-hairs.
I thought he was going to disband the secret service since he plans on taking all our guns away. If no one is armed why does he need the SS?
Please tell me you do know no one is going to take all your guns. I see people who seriously believe that, so I'm not sure if yall believe this or not.
Thirty or forty years ago I would have been in agreement with you up2.
In the present day with the mean spirited people of this day and age, I'd have to say that they will probably need lifetime protection.
Will it be expensive, yes and very.
Our elected officials are all very willing and eager to lavish great amounts of pomp on themselves and their staffs are often bloated unnecessarily.
This is most obvious with the Executive branch of the Federal Government.
However our members of both houses of Congress are just about as burdensome to their taxpaying subjects.
Subjects being the little people like you and me as well as the rest of us who participate on this medium.
'I might 'magin theres a few right wingers out there who would like to get him and others in their cross hairs'
Were not most presidential asassination attemps in the last 60 years by left wingers?
I will look that up HuDhat. But it is the right wing that hates this President more than any President has ever been hated. Even Ted Nugent has said he would kill him live on TV. Not to mention the White Supremacist who are scary and I wouldn't trust them, don't know what political party they are or if they have one but still. He gets death threats all the time. The CIA stays very busy with people making threats against him unlike ever before. So I wouldn't blame him if he wanted protection. No other President has ever been hated, questioned, and threatened as this one. I'm glad he and his family are going to have protection.
Not a problem, take your time. If there really is hate for this president the left wing will get around to it soon enough.
Those were presidental assassination attempts HuD. I question if anyone who has been out of office for ten years needs this level of protection.
Understood; However, it's difficult to have a discussion if someone begins by advancing a false premise.
Yea, my friend Sebe. James Earl Ray was a card carrying ACLU member if I ever saw one(sarcasm intended.). Course the person he kilt was not President. The same for Sirhan Sirhan who offed Bobby Kennedy a Liberal that was on his way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. John Hinkley as I recall weren't no long haired hippie type when he shot Reagan(Just plain crazy for Jody Foster so he don't count as a lefty.) Course the case may or maynot be made for John Wilkes Booth being a lefty. Every thing I have read points to a deranged actor "gettin even" for the Northern War of Agression agin the South. Didn't have the ACLU back then I guess or he would a been packin' his card, I am sure. My, my, another controversy to now deal with. I do believe I be comin down with the vapors. Needs myself a drink of lemonade I reckon.
Then you got Lee Harvey Oswald. Trained by the KGB in the tactical stuff and also trained by the US Marine Corps on how to shoot a bolt action rifle and get three rounds off in 3.5 seconds. However, Harvey put his bullets in JFK's head and neck. JFK, as you know, identified himself as a Liberal. Now He was a President. So, it's a coin toss regarding Harvey.
I will however, bet you that there are today more armed assault carrying weapon RIGHT wing militias then those on the left.
Therefore, I will meet your asasination bet including your perhaps misquoted 100% curve ball stat and your assault rifle with its extended magazine, with my nine shot clock pistol.
Seems fair to me.
Hud, never seen you have a problem having a conversation. Just because you don't agree with what I said.... that's gonna stop you??? ok.
No sebekm, not young but not as old as you I guess. You remember Nixon being hated, I'm sure he was. But If we are going by what we remember, I know what I see everyday day concerning this President. "If there really is hate for this President"?????? come on.
Bush may have death threats, but President Obama holds the title for the most of any President. It averages 30 a day. And you may since you are older,but I have never seen or heard of any President being question like he has been. His birthplace, his religion, his hating America And some really delusional wacked outthings people believe about him.. Now you may know of someone who was questioned more I don't know. But this one has unjustly been called a non-citizen, a Muslim,
The Anti-Christ.. you all know what people think and say about him. He is hated very badly by a lot of people. I live here in the south and so do yall. Almost everyone I know pure hates him. Maybe he isn't the most, Although I still think he is but if not he has got to be close. Anyway.
BHO is our first Black President. We may have stopped segregation but we have not stopped racism. There's many a white boy or two, frequentin' gun shows, and purchasing all sorts of weapons, whom ascribe to hate ideology towards Jews and people of color.
They are self-marginalized bubbas and bubbets who are threatened by babies getting foodstamps, medically abandoned humans, deranged thoughts about the guv-mint takin away ALL their guns, Seniors getting Social Security, Medicare, Medicade.
My Prediction: IF, the Tea Party becomes the voice of the Republican Party then this country will find itself on an express elevator to Hell.
And in a round about way, it will prove the Mayan Clock was only off by a few seconds.
Mr. Sebekm, when you referance 'name calling and obfuscation' do you mean something as inane as'self marginalized bubbas and bubbetes who are threatened by babies getting food stamps'
Hudat: Oh, now I see things more clearly boy vomit. Tea Party folks such as yourself are FOR: foodstamps and nourishment for babies, health care for the poor and pre-natal care for mothers, giving up your assault rifles, taking care of your grandma and grandad with shelter, food, and health treatment. That's about it ain't it Tea Bag? You've come over to our side, have you? Oh yea: providin food and shelter to the homeless. You now be one of us mimic mouth?
It ain't Sebe I am after, he does his work, it just takes me longer to look it up. No Mr. Right Wing it is cretins such as yourself and TOT that can not or will not get it right.(no pun intended.) Your policies are simplistic and fail to conjugate the complexities facing us i.e. guns, foodstamps, mental illness, medicare, medicaid, care for the elderly, and oh yea, lest I forget; shelter and food for the homeless. You cloak yourselves in an Evangelical garment, while ignoring that Jesus encouraged us to feed the hungry and be kind to the poor.
Now, go and clean the tobacco juice dribbling down your chin. Get some religion while your at it and read the New Testament. My bad. That would be doing two things at once. Know you cannot handle that...
I as you know, Sebe, am not as noble as you are. Sometimes you just gotta fight fire with fire,(think Dresden fire bombing) and or humor(think Bill Mahr) rgarding TOT blaming LIBERALS for the Newtown massacre!!! His sheer HATRED screams for retaliation and conconfrontation. I plan on giving it to him. He will forever be on my list at every opportunity afforded me.
I, also, try to cover you,Up2, SF3, sometimes Funk, froggy and a few others backs. Funk, like you, does his research tho I may sometime question his sources. However, he is not a slash and burn type of guy such as I.
I have found counsel in Funk, you, Up2, IKY, gacpl, tiger5 and others that I unfortunatly cannot name at the moment.
Succinctly put...I don't mind dust-ups from time to time.
It may or maynot be because of the psychotropic drugs and alcohol I now consume or maybe it was the the psychedelics in the 60's. It could maybe could have been when my mama locked me in the closet for two days for killing one of my sister's cats. (it was an accident, an accident I tell you!)
I think most of us here, cept for TOT, has heard of spontaneous combustion. Many instances of it have occured thru out history.
I think they forget they are public SERVANTS and not ROYALITY to be served by the public. (That's all politicians, past and present.)
Once you have been treated like royalty that would seem a hard drug to recover from. Usually when govt. overspends the objection to cutting is that this is just a drop in the bucket and you won't acheive any real savings. This actually is just a drop in that bucket. Nobody wants to see a former president needlessly exposed to danger.
I question whether BHO will be relevant 10 years from now. Yes in the sense he was the first black president and what ever leagacy he leaves. But will he be relavant enough for assasination? I am betting we will have bigger fish to fry then, the first female president, the first non christian president, the first gay president...and the list goes on. I personally think it is over kill.
BHO, if nothing else, will be remembered not only for being our first black president, he will be remembered for getting us back on the right fiscal tract and hopefully the extermination of the Tea Party blockade.
That is not what I heard him say. We were $200 billion away over 10 years for an agreement and the Tea Partiers crucified Boehner for bringing it to a vote. So they pulled it from the floor.
Good discussion. Got to go watch the news and cook some spaghetti. I'll be back.
You can't spend more than you make. I would like to see some of the liberals make a real effort at cutting some programs, even though it would make the voters angry. I would also like to see the Conservatives honestly consider raising taxes, even though it will make thier voters angry. Until there is some sort of honest compromise it will just be the some old line with nothing getting done.
up2, Your post just above says exactly what we need to do.
Unfortunately your last statement is incorrect.
Something will get done.
The United States credit rating will be downgraded again I'm afraid.
We must reduce the deficit by any and all means at our disposal.
Everybody has to give something up. The DOD and their contractors must be funded and sufficient cost of living raises must be factored in. We MUST maintain our Nukes and that isn't a freebie.
At the same time we must feed hungry babies and provide for the destitute and elderly.
My suggestion to all this: LEGALIZE POT AND TAX THE HECK OUT OF IT. Use the profits to paydown the debt and educate users to the dangers of cannabis. We did it with tobacco and alcohol. Why not Pot. It would take the billions if not trillions out of the hands of the narco-terrorists and use the massive amount of money generated to do the things I suggested.
Course, if you want to push this envelope further...legalize ALL drugs, tax them to high heaven, educate and treat the abusers. Prohibition did not work and the War, if there really ever was one, on Drugs has long been LOST.
To believe otherwise is delusional.
No seriously, if you know I would be interested. So far the only danger is that it would be one more product to tax the heck out of.
And...it would take the money out of the hands of the narco-terrorists.
Actually, Hudat, massive consumption of chocolate Chip Cookies and Milk contributes to obesity which can lead to TYPE II Diabetes.
Our stupidity in allowing narco terrorists to infiltrate a large part of the economy is not in itself one of the dangers of cannibus. At this point a narco terrorist and our blood sucking govt. are running about even.
Our Government has engaged in a forty year war on drugs and drugs are easier to come by today than they were forty years ago.
Cannibus is the least harmful of all mood adjusters.
Allowing the narco-terrorists to CONTROL production and sale of cannibis is a very real danger associated with mary jane.
We, the US, need to grow it as we do corn and wheat and cotton. Sell it, and massively tax it.
Again, i get the danger of or guilt by association to crime but the product itself is not the cause. What do you personally think the danger of the substance is. A sientific explanation is not needed. I am interested in your thoughts.
Well, I really do not think cannabis as such is dangerous at all. It is already proven to have legitimate medical use in Cancer patients undergoing Chemotherapy, as well as people suffering from glaucoma. Also, I think there is a study going on in Sweden testing cannibis and its effects on anorexics.
Those things along with prompting laughing and an overall sense of well-being are all positives. I am sure there are some medical maladies that I have left out that cannabis has a positive effect on. Feel free to expand if need be.
JimmyMack NORML member since '68.
I mentioned "dangerous" before to assuage tee-totalers and any resistance they might put up...like calling cannibis a 'gate way drug' or saying it was like that crazy film back in the 40's that led users to lives of crime and psychosis? I cannot remember its name now....(not sure if that means anything or not...remembering and all) :)
Dam Sebe, you ARE fast. While all that you have said may be in fact true...it still does not stop people from using it(cannibis). People drive drunk, people speed, people steal, people kill...and a lot of other things that there are laws against but they get broken all the time.
Why not take this 'negative' regarding cannibis and turn it into a profit? People gonna sin and do bad things. Let's charge 'em for it via a tax like we do on cigarettes, gasoline, etc.
BTW Sebe... a lot of them facts above occured during my cannibis free first marriage. I am not sure if that proves anything or not.
JimmyMack---thanks for your response. I beleive the movie you referenced was 'Reefer Madness'. I suppose it's the art of compromise but it's troubling to cede ground just to assuage those who are convinced something is dangerous. We end up begging to be taxed for something that is rightfully ours. And you said it....sebe is pretty dang quick.
Here ya' go....
Yep, that's it UP2. Reefer Madness.
You are welcome Hudat.
Death and Taxes. The two certainties of Life.
And Sebe, you are right. Over indulgence or impaired judgement while performing certain activities can result in very bad things happening.
I would not want a surgeon who just got thru smoking a joint taking out my gall bladder or say performing a colonoscopy.
So yes. Cannibis is an intoxicant. We just need to control it, educate the populace, and tax the heck out of it.
up2, I'm sorry that this blog sort of got hijacked.
I posted another blog on the subject of marijuana. Because pot is something which needs to be discussed.
However back to the original message of this blog string we should have made a more thorough debate on the cost of lifetime protection of the Obama family.
I encourage you to post another blog on this subject.