"Another year of SEC Dominance."
....yes - except for LSU, FL, and MS State, the SEC did well in the Bowls. The SEC proved their dominance on the field (although if SC hadn't squeaked that one out, by my count the SEC would have been only one game over .500 in this year's Bowls).
But as I told my son last night, I would rather have had an undefeated ND in the national championship game as opposed to two SEC teams - even if ND lost 100-0.
Also - as I said in my previous blog - the SEC has had a great thing going. Their job is to keep it up. It will be interesting to see how things work out when the playoffs kick in after the 2014 season. I still think they ought to have at least eight teams as opposed to only four.
I'm thinkin' the next POTENTIAL challenger to the SEC for national prominance will be Ohio State. I have to admit, Mr. Myer can recruit and is doing very well in the South. Heck, Hinesville's own 5 star recruit lists them as his leader. As we all know, power+speed abounds in the South (7 NC's in a row) and nobody understands this better than Myer (2 NC's @ UF.)Somehow, he is able to get these guys to commit to a cold environment far from home better than anyone else in that region of the country. Perhaps it is because of his rings. I don't know. But it is working and they were undefeated under Myer already with Big 10 type talent (understandably against Big 10 talent, I realize.)
Point is, he can recruit and he can coach. Don't sleep on the Buckeyes...
My thougts exactly, Tiger5. Urban is a legend. Pun intended. If there is a coach in the same caliber of Saban, Spurrier, Miles and Richt, of course, it is Urban. Richt has not won HIS championship, but was on Bobby Bowdens staff when they won thier championships.
Richt will get to that podium on day.
I hope he does. I really do. He would have gotten it this year had the defense played to expectations. Either Grantham or the players were overrated on that side of the ball. Who knew UGA would have a record setting offense on a team that was expected to have a record setting defense?? The offense was supposed to be suspect with an untested O-line and true freshman running backs.
The defense didn't keep their end of the bargain while the offense was setting school records.
This to me is the most frustrating aspect of this past season.
That being said, they will enter next season as a top 5 program and if they can navigate September (Clemson, SC, and LSU) they still will have UF and possibly an SEC championship game to deal with. They may actually be better next year, but the schedule will be brutal. I can't help thinking we missed a good chance this past year.
I was pulling for the Dawgs as well, and I have no doubt that Urban Meyer will bring consistent success to Ohio State. Recruiting is the name of the game; the best programs just seem to reload.
The SEC proved their dominance on the field (although if SC hadn't squeaked that one out, by my count the SEC would have been only one game over .500 in this year's Bowls)"
But that's moot because South Carolina beat Michigan, and the SEC only lost three out of 8 Bowl games. So 5-3 is not too bad at all .625 winning percentage. Below are the results.
North Carolina (ACC)24
Vanderbilt (SEC) 38 Final
LSU (SEC) 24
Clemson (ACC) 25 Final
Mississippi State (SEC) 20
Northwestern (Big Ten) 34 Final
Florida (SEC) 23
Louisville (Big East) 33 Final
South Carolina (SEC) 33
Michigan (Big Ten) 28 Final
Nebraska (Big 12) 31
Georgia (SEC) 45 Final
Oklahoma (Big 12)13
Texas A&M (SEC) 41 Final
Notre Dame (Independent) 14
Alabama (SEC) 42
The SEC went 1-1 against the ACC
The SEC went 1-1 against the Big Ten
The SEC went 0-1 against the Big East
The SEC went 2-0 against the Big 12
The SEC went 1-0 against the Independent
"But as I told my son last night, I would rather have had an undefeated ND in the national championship game as opposed to two SEC teams - even if ND lost 100-0."
Well not me. I would rather have a team that was not undefeated, and played a much better game, than to have a team be undefeated and lose 100-0. That will be quite embarrassing. But Notre Dame was embarrassed, and it showed that they were no way ready to compete against the SEC. They were grossly over-rated, and the Sports Analyst now know it. You probably wont ever see Notre Dame get the head nod again for such high rankings. Right now, they look like a caliber team such as a Utah State or a Boise State. I do believe that If Notre Dame Football Program played in the Big Ten as the other Sports Teams are at Notre Dame,
they would not have been in Miami Florida. That's for sure. That BCS National Championship would have been more entertaining. That game was over in the first quarter. They made Manti Te'o look like a freshman starter, as they (Alabama)ran by him scramble pass him, and simply had their way with him and the entire Notre Dame defense.
But Notre Dame never quit and they gave it their all. It's just that Alabama was just too much for Notre Dame.
The SEC will be just as good next fall as they were this past season.
Urban Meyer has done a great job with that Buckeyes Team. But as you know, in the past with Jim Tressel, they could not beat an SEC School in the National Championship game either. I believe that Ohio State will be the Big Ten Champions if they return all of their players. If not, better watch out for Wisconsin.
It's great that Hinesville 5 star players are now getting looks from the Big Ten. But have you also thought that the recruiting is so intense for the South, that only the Blue Chip players get the scholarships at a Georgia, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, and etc.
Remember, these days the SEC does not rebuild any longer, they just simply reload.
Urban Meyer maybe a legend, but Nick Saban, is an ICON and he has a Dynasty of a football program. You can now say Bear Bryant and Nick Saban is the same sentence.
Tiger 5, and Jimmy D,
Georgia in the vast majority of their years with Richt, has had high powered offenses. Great Quarterbacks from as long as I could imagine. Great Running backs, wide receivers, tight ends etc.
Georgia is BCS National Championship material, and can win one. Here is the factor. "DEFENSE"!!! They have to do a better job with that defense. All of these talented defensive players, NFL pre draftees, and you can't get them clicking on all cylinders? They have to find an answer to the defense or their wins will be only offensive shoot outs with teams like Florida, and South Carolina.
"I was pulling for the Dawgs as well, and I have no doubt that Urban Meyer will bring consistent success to Ohio State. Recruiting is the name of the game; the best programs just seem to reload."
I agree sebekm,
Early Bird gets the worm. It will be very hard to get a player from the South to go to Ohio State. Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, will offer plenty to get that star player to their program.
Actually, didn't you forget about Ole Miss? They beat Pittsburgh 38-17 on January 5th in Birmingham. By my count, that makes the SEC 6-3 in this year's bowls, doesn't it? My point above was that if not for the "Outback Bowl Miracle" with 11 seconds left in the game, the SEC would only have been 5-4 in the bowls this year - which would have hardly been a demonstration of "domination."
Let's look at the other side of the "SEC and everybody else" argument, which is that it might be that it's "ALABAMA and everybody else," or at least "AL/GA/A&M" and everybody else." Looking solely at the bowl games:
*Northwestern - a perennial Big 10 doormat that has had a decent record recently - beat MS State by two touchdowns.
*Florida - which was touted prior to the bowl games as a "shoulda been contender" for the national championship game was handed a double-digit loss by supposed Big East "pretender" Louisville. I watched that game, and IMHO the way FL played they could have easily lost by four touchdowns.
*LSU - another perennial national championship contender - folds when it matters most and fails to close the deal against Clemson. In the process, LSU's highly-touted defense allows the Clemson QB to rack up 346 passing yards (nearly 200 to just one receiver). These are the kinds of games I've usually seen Les Miles' teams pull out at the end, but what was once a big plus for them (i.e., their defense) only looked fair-to-middlin' (or worse) in this game.
*For most of the year, the Alabama offensive line has been touted as probably being capable - as a unit - to hold their own against any team in the NFL. IMHO - they proved it against Notre Dame. I believe that you can focus the major source of Alabama's "domination" of Notre Dame on the ability of their offensive line to give McCarron what seemed like 10 seconds in the pocket on passing plays. Those two running backs for Alabama had a pretty good game as well. And don't forget that it was Alabama's 3-out-of-the-last-4 national-championship-wins veteran team against a deer-in-the-headlights/starstruck/just-glad-to-be-there Notre Dame team where their best player spent most of the prep time for the game on the banquet circuit. With all the talent that Alabama has assembled, Saban's staff has shown that they can trounce ANYBODY when they have 6+ weeks to prepare for a game - regardless of what conference their opponent belongs to.
*I actually expected the Dawgs to put a worse whuppin' on Nebraska than they did. In fact, Nebraska was actually up 24-23 at the half in this game, which was surprising to me. I mean - after all - in Nebraska's previous game, they gave up *70* points to a Wisconsin team that they had beaten earlier in the season. (Wisconsin then loses its bowl game to another "pretender" - Stanford.)
*TX A&M rolls over perennial Big 12 "powerhouse" Oklahoma, which adds to the SEC "dominance" in this bowl season, but as I've said earlier: as far as I'm concerned, A&M will be a Big-12-pedigreed/SEC-team-in-disguise until the players recruited while they were in the Big 12 are flushed from their roster. I know people who are lifetime TX A&M fans and some alumni "traditionalists" who still see their team as a member of the Big 12, regardless of their current conference affiliation (ho! ho!).
*Vandy beats NC State - a 7-6 team - in one of those "Toilet Bowl" games I love to hate. In the process, Vandy's defense - which averaged just over 200 passing yards-per-game against for the season - surrenders nearly 400 passing yards to NC State (424 total yards) while their own offense only accumulates 225 total yards. Further, NC State was out-penalized 90 yards to 10 and lost the turnover battle FIVE to ZERO. A big case can be made that NC State threw away this game as opposed to Vandy winning it. Hardly a case of “SEC domination” here either.
*In another "Toilet Bowl," Ole Miss (7-6) beats Pitt (6-7) 38-17. But talk about a team NOT BELONGING in a bowl game, Pitt was it this year. During their regular season, Pitt lost to the likes of Youngstown State (by two touchdowns), and that "sorry" Notre Dame team (which didn't belong in the national championship game) by a field goal in triple overtime. Ole Miss won this one by three touchdowns, but in so doing I don't think they proved a whole lot about "SEC domination" - unless it was that Ole Miss can beat another team that didn't deserve to be in a bowl in a bowl game that shouldn't have been played in the first place.
*And last we have the aforementioned "Outback Bowl Miracle" where the Ol' Ball Coach's team finally wins one at the end. But South Carolina could have very easily lost this game. They lost the time-of-possession battle by a whopping 38 mins to 22 mins, and were fortunate to get blown coverage on their receiver who caught the winning TD pass with 11 seconds left in the game. Michigan was ranked 18th coming into this game, but my opinion of Big 10 football is about equal to my opinion of most fast food: it usually stinks. IMHO - a truly "dominant" performance by SC would have been a butt-whippin' of Michigan that would have rivaled Alabama's win over ND.
So there you have it: The Opposing View. I did my best to state the case. For me, the bottom line is that for a truly "national championship" in college football, you need national PARTICIPATION. A rematch of an SEC game played earlier in the season just doesn't get it. Of course, you never had this before the BCS system was implemented - but then you had all the problems attributed to the earlier system (cronyism, favoritism, alumniism, crookedism, etc.). The article at:
says it better than I can:
"College football is in the midst of seismic change that is entirely based on conferences trying to increase their footprints in order to maximize their revenues. The head-spinning process of conference realignment is contracting the sport's elite. A sport that had long leaned on the consistency of its traditions is now one where the only certainty is change.
Yet one thing hasn't changed since the 2006 season -- the SEC finishing No. 1.
Great for the SEC. Not so great for the 106 other Football Bowl Subdivision programs, most particularly the supposedly privileged programs in the other major conferences: the Pac-12, Big 12, Big Ten and ACC.
"I don't think there's any question it would be better for college football if the national championship moved around a little bit," said Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby, echoing sentiments expressed by everyone in college football outside the SEC.
Please, SEC friends, don't take this wrong. This isn't an anti-SEC screed. This isn't a questioning of the subjective system that often seems to work in your favor. No, the question is whether college football -- the sport itself -- can endure and thrive during a prolonged period of SEC dominance, one that could permanently concentrate the sport's power in a lone region of the country.”
So whadya think, Sporty? I don’t expect you to change your opinion, but perhaps the above is something to think about(?)
Good points Sebe. You always express yourself very well.
But to answer your question: Yes, I Jimmy Mack, expect college football to enudure amd thrive. Me-o-my-o The Roman Empire lasted til 375 A.D.
I am good with a twenty-thirty year run of SEC dominance to let the others catch up.
Hi Jimmy: I understand, and I expected no less. If you haven't already done so, check out the ESPN link above about the SEC's "hegemony." Pretty funny spots where they talk about an 86 year-old Musburger and Herbstreit calling the 2025 national championship game, in which an SEC victory caps an SEC run of the last 18 of 20. [I wonder if Musburger will still be spotlighting the SEC QB's girlfriend (or boyfriend) in 2025?]
...and speaking of "anti-SEC sentiment," here's one *computer* that STILL has Notre Dame Ranked #1:
"Actually, didn't you forget about Ole Miss? They beat Pittsburgh 38-17 on January 5th in Birmingham. By my count, that makes the SEC 6-3 in this year's bowls, doesn't it? My point above was that if not for the "Outback Bowl Miracle" with 11 seconds left in the game, the SEC would only have been 5-4 in the bowls this year - which would have hardly been a demonstration of "domination."
Yes I did forget about Ole Miss, and yes that makes it 6-3 which makes a very good year for the SEC Bowl wise.
Lots of money should be coming to the SEC Conference to be shared among the SEC Schools.
I fore see another good year for the SEC with Georgia stepping up. They finished in the top 5 in the Country AP Poll Rankings. (I don't actually don't depend on that Poll any longer, but I will use that for now) Alabama has lost a great deal of players due to the upcoming draft, and Georgia is losing about three players to the draft (Defense) But as you know in the SEC, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, etc just don't rebuild any longer, they reload.
2013 will be a very interesting year, and Ohio State comes off probation. But as I've always told you, I still believe the BIG 10, PAC 12, and Independent Notre Dame as being over-rated. The only way these BIG 10 teams won a National Title is that they never played an SEC Team for the National Title, except for Ohio State and they got beaten by Les Miles LSU Team.
"So whadya think, Sporty? I don’t expect you to change your opinion, but perhaps the above is something to think about(?)"
I still say that it is the SEC and then everybody else. :-)
"...and speaking of "anti-SEC sentiment," here's one *computer* that STILL has Notre Dame Ranked #1:"
We all know that's not the case any longer. A team that got trounce in the first quarter 21-0 in the first quarter, 28-0 in the 2nd Quarter to the half. Then they put in the 2 and third string in the fourth quarter, and yet they still dominated the Fighting Irish. 42-14? I say that's dominating.
Yet they still rank Notre as being No. 1? Come on, even you know better than that sebekm.
I missed something here. Who is Ranking them fightin Irish number One? Timothy Leary, the father of LSD is dead.
Sorry - I forgot to post the link. Here it is:
"I still say that it is the SEC and then everybody else. :-)"
I thought so. It probably IS - but this bowl season showed me that the gap may be closing - if even a tad. We'll see how it goes. I do hope they expand the playoff system to eight teams, though. Otherwise, we may be worse off than with the BCS system.
I believe that now everybody else will have the concept of IF WE CAN'T BEAT EM, WE WILL JUST JOIN EM!!!!
In other words they (BIG 10 PAC 12 Independents etc) will start mirroring everything the SEC does to win.
Yea SF3. But once we get them down here in the heat and humidity and knockin them on their arses, they will be more than in a hurry to get back on their air conditioned buses and go back home.
"In other words they (BIG 10 PAC 12 Independents etc) will start mirroring everything the SEC does to win."
Yes - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery (and a great path to future success - if you do it right). However, I'm not sure that the Big 10 is "trainable." They are the epitome of fumblin', bumblin', stumblin' when it comes to their style of football and the way they do business. It doesn't surprise me that the Penn State scandal came out while PSU was a member of the Big 10. I think the conference was "born under a bad sign" and have a knack for making a bad situation worse.
The Big 12 and PAC 12 - IMHO - aren't so far behind that a little quality recruiting wouldn't move them up the scale quite a bit. Texas has historically gotten good recruiting, as has Oklahoma, but the rest of the Big 12 haven't been able to keep the local talent from fleeing to the east or west coasts. The SEC ace-in-the-hole has been that some of the best recruiters ply their trade there and success breeds success.
Hi Sporty: I saw that one. But I've been following it from a distance. Much more preoccupied with the stuff going on over the past 48 hours in Chicago on the coaching front. Trestman is assembling his staff, with the DC being the main one still vacant.
As to the T'eo story, I'm wondering whether this just isn't a case of a really naive kid being taken in. The ND brass seems to think so. I'm wondering about the motivation for T'eo to participate in the hoax. But the press got just what they wanted: they blew the story up in the beginning, and now they get to blow it up again while portraying themselves as "victims" in "reporting a hoax." It seems to me that the media wouldn't have so much egg on their faces now if they hadn't made such a big deal out of it to begin with.
In recent "sports news," I thought this one was interesting, too: