What reform are you proposing? There are law breakers everywhere. Do you punish the many for sins of the few?
No, the welfare people now have a credit card. It should be setup to catch fraud. In other words, track their spending habits.
How do you propose to do that? Currently they don't have enough people in GA to process the applications, (due to strict buget cost which will be cut even more this year)let alone track their purchases. It comes down to money. The amount of fraud is insignificant to the cost the tax payers will have to pay to implement such a plan. Also I can see the AFLC getting involved as an invasion of privacy. How much would it cost to fight such a lawsuit?
Those employed in positions with the power to thwart abuse of the system simply have no motivation to do so.
That is a great part of the reason that we have so many people being classified as disabled when they in fact are quite able.
There used to be a time when most men and women were too proud to accept a handout.
In the thirties and forties we did not have homeless people in rural areas.
There was the occasional tramp walking down the road but he continued on his way in search of work.
They often stopped to knock on a door to ask if they might do some choir in exchange for food.
They were not allowed to go hungry but they had to move on.
People then were more honorable as a whole than they are this day and age.
They often stopped to knock on a door to ask if they might do some chore in exchange for food.
I guess they might have offered to sing.
Maybe I made someone's day by misspelling chore.
With all the 'magical' stuff they can do in this digital age our default position is to blame and punish a private business.
The O'Reilly Factor on Fox news will be talking about people partying on our tax dollars. It starts a 8:00.
I'm not sure how much partying you can do on welfare. Since for two children you get about $235 a month. With FS, you can only use authorized merchants. So there maybe a few (very few) who are getting over on the system but the majority are honest citizens. As with anything, you will always find examples of bad apples. It's the same kneww jerk reaction that has people wanting to ban all privately owned guns because the recent shootings.
If a strip club is against the law shut it down. If they are conducting a legal business in a lawfull manner leave them alone. A private business should not be put in the position to act as a police force for corrupt govt.
HuDhat1, think about it! They also said casinos... If I could draw money off a welfare / S S I, hell yell! Bet your sweet asset my rear end would be parked on a chair in front of a slot machine Yelling "COME ON, BABY NEEDS A NEW PAIR OF SHOES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When someone enters a private business with a pocketfull of money they got from the govt. it no longer matters if they are a welfare cheat or a govt. retiree. The money used to belong to the business, they have a responsibility to try and get some of it back.
About government credit cards seb, I don't know about other states but GA has a tight control on such matters. No only will you be out of a job but spending time in the pokey for fraud.
'this isn't about private business'...that was my point. It was suggested that maybe new laws be passed to penalize strip clubs that take money from welfare recipients. If you have a problem with your welfare system then fix it. Don't add another layer of nonsense to private enterprize.
I don't see how that can be reasonably monitered. As I said, here in GA a business must get authorization to accept the EBT cards and the Food Stamp cards so I don't see how someone is using one in those places. Now if they bring in cash, how is a business owner suppose to know where the money came from?
up2, EBT cards can be used at ATM'S to pull out cash for rent, electric, gas bills and so on. That's if their on SSI!
SSI is not for just retired people, it's also for people with disabilities...
and here's some reading that you should be mad as hell about!
I understand you can draw cash from the EBT card. I want to know how you plan to track the money and how it is used once it was been converted to cash. There are cheaters, there always will be. Every time you think of a way to stop them, they figure out a way around the system. I will once again state, most people who received SSI, TANIF and Food stamps are honest people. The cheaters are only a very small percentage of receiptants. And while the money (TANIF) is suppose to go to help the children, I know of no rule which states it cannot be used at strip clubs or liquior stores. The cost of trying to catch this small percentage of people will cost the tax payers more money than the cheaters. God knows who cheats and lies. I am not after his job so I am content to let him handle things at his pleasure.
I just read the intial article and I don't know who wrote it but they are full of it. The Food Stamp Proagram is a national program (comes under the Dept of Agriculture), unlike TANIF (which is a state program and subject to state guidlines). The rules for Food Stamps are the same no matter which state you go to. I know for a fact you CANNOT make cash withdrawals on a foodstamp card. It's just not possible. Don't beleive me? Take a ride over to the DFCS office and ask them. Also, I'd like to know how they know who at the ATM is a welfare receiptant as that is restricted information. The Freddom of information Act will only get to stats and not individual clients. The same with SSI.
HuDhat1, welcome to this medium.
You are dead on the money about the money having been derived from the private sector in the first place.
These bleeding heart liberals either don't understand that or they are simply demented
HuD, you have already crossed swords with Jimmy Mack.
If he doesn't know who you are he will soon attack your person as if he knew who you were.
Either prepare for some verbal abuse or don't disagree with him.
Really TOT? I have disagreed with Jimmy on several topics and he has never abused me. I think it is all in how you present your arguement. I have always tried to be respectful here (sometimes coming up a little short but I still try) and in return, I have, in most cases, been treated respectfully.
In a perfect world I'd agree Seb but how in the world will you enforce it? If I am paying cash for my lap dance how are you going to prove it is TANIF money and that Jimmy didn't give it to me for my birthday to spend as I please? You could go to Jimmy and ask but how much of the tax payers money are you willing to spend to prove I am a liar?
This is my business! you brown noser
Your bussiness is to apread malicious lies? Your business is to muddly the water with unsubstainated BS? Your business is to attack rather and spread discord rather than engage in meaningful discourse? I agree whole heartedly.
I'd rather be know for mudding up the waters then as ass kisser... and your mouth is like a mud flap hanging behind a semi!
Seb the food stamps are on a type of debit card and have been for years. In GA the TANIF is on a EBT card, which is a type of debit card. Not sure what the other states are doing but I'm sure they're not far behind. It is more economical than sending out checks.
Thank you mini-murr for proving my point so eloquently.
There are so many people on public assistance in one form or another that it is virtually impossible to prevent abuse.
However as stated above the prevention of abuse should rest with those administering the programs.
Bureaucrats working in the various different public assistance governmental agencies see increasing numbers of clients as more job security.
As pointed out in comments above it is not the responsibility of business to determine where a customers funds were gotten from.
Bureaucrats think instantly of additional rules and regulations imposed on private business as the answer to all problems.
Liberty county is known as one of the most progressive counties in the state of Georgia.
Correspondingly Liberty County is known as the most difficult county in the coastal empire to survive with a small business.
I totally agree Seb. My point is, do you spend 3x more money than is being misspent on catching the very few who are abusing the system? I say we need to pick our battles. Yes it is outragous to have people abuse the sytem but what price are we willing to pay to catch them?
I am not so sure Seb. I think such monitoring would be challanged in court. As it is, just drug testing them is coming under fire and costing millions to go through the court system.
There is no privacy when your on welfare... It grips me that my tax dollars are going to You and those thousands like You to feed your kids while I cannot claim you or your kids as dependents on my tax returns. I spend as much, if not more, every year than I can spend on my own kids. As I close, a simple " thank You" would be better than you getting on a pubic forum and bitch about the very people that are paying your way so you don't have to get up off your a$$ and find a job to pull your own weight for a change. As it stands now with Obama's payroll tax increase on 77% of workers, I have figured I am working about 3 days a week for you and yours not to have work..
"It really would be very simple for the government to do this."
It is not in the nature of bureaucrats to ever do anything in a simple way.
Private enterprise can perform in the simplest ways and does so in order to remain self sufficient.
There should be no privacy in regards to welfare.
There ought to be a taste of shame when receiving a handout.
Thats why the tramps coming down the road always asked first if they might do a chore for a meal.
They almost always were accommodated
even by folks of limited means themselves.
Sadly those days are gone with the new progressive ideology.
Sheran, who's way are you paying here? And an OBAMA tax? plenty of blame to go around for all of that huh.
And unless you make mega money the amount of that tax coming from your paycheck isnt enough that it makes it where you are paying someone's way. And that is a payroll tax. So not sure where you paying people's way comes in.
I have never seen so much hate for people on assistance. What is with that?
The "entitlement people" "welfare people", don't feed the animals, and even a "LET THEM DIE". OMG. Then all people who get assistance should have to have to taste of shame??? WTH Thats just messed up.
Did you NOT get the memo when Mitt, the Saviour to the Nation, got caught saying horrible things about half of this nation about who gets these "handouts"?? Do you really not know or not care? I mean are you not informed or ignore it?
The elderly, the disabled, and the working poor get nine/tenths of it.
The working poor. These are people who work their asses off for the "job creators" who pay their employee's so little and give them no benefits that they can't survive. They won't give up a dime of their fortune and do their employees right. So the only benefits these people get are called foodstamps and medicaid, that some of you hate so much. Well you are paying Walmart and others employee's benefits, it cost us billions.
Why does THAT not make yall mad!!??? It makes me mad to no end. The greedy is who I can't stand, not the poor. And I did NOT say the wealthy. I said the greedy. They are the REAL welfare queens. Regarding minimum wage,"If I could pay you less I would, but it's against the law" ~ Chris Rock. so true.
Ah, but then comes the liars who say they are disabled and are not. Some seem to be able to say who is and who ain't. TOT spoke of all the lying Veterans who play the system. Hit a nerve with people and he back tracked. But it is how he feels or it wouldn't have been said. I have a service connected disability TOT. Do I have a real disability all knowing one?? You know nothing about me. People fight hard ugly battles for your freedom and come back messed up in more ways than one. Some you can see, some you can't. That really made me sick you saying that about our Veterans, and about anyone who is disabled for that matter. You haven't walked in these people's shoes TOT, none of you have.
I will say just be glad it's not your behinds needing these things you hate so. I sure hope you thank God for that.
And why don't you pray for these people instead of putting them all down. But it seems the only prayer that I see over and over that is really needed is for the Dems/Liberals not to destroy this nation. I think Jesus would be more concerned for the hungry. Just sayin.
I see though there is an answer to it all. These people should simply go door to door and sing or some crap in exchange for food. smh and lol.
Ok, still playing Devil's advocate here, how will you moniter them if they go to their local ATM, withdraw the money and go to the strip clubs, liquior stores to spend it? Again in principle I feel you are 100% correct.