Who Won?
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The headline that the "cliff" has been averted has by no means provided me with any sort of comfort that all is well. Keep in mind that it was stated that there still needs to be other provisions voted on to finalize the deal. When you read all the blurbs of how it will affect you; I have yet to see who really came out on top here. From what I can acertain, the programs that provide the government subsidy seem to be the clear "winners". I can't see how we consider this a win when everybody for the most part is going to see an increase in taxes. However the equity of the tax hike is still a point of contention. When you strip away all of the rhetoric, those who have been bearing the burdon of the tax load have had it increased. This solves nothing! I am frustrated folks, I hate that I can be upset about it all I want; it is not going to change the outcome. It is a bitter pill that all of us seem to have been prescribed by a president and a congress that do not seem to be swayed by what the the people affected by this nonsense think or desire. It is clear that the current administration lacks the morale courage to do whats best for the country. Their biggest success? as TOT stated. Kick the can once agian. Seems it might be time to recycle that can...

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golfnut31316 commented on Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I like this Idea.

Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes about the debt ceiling:

"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC. "You just
pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit of more
than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible
for re-election.

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds)
took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple!
The people demanded it. That was in 1971 - before computers, e-mail,
cell phones, etc.

Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took one (1) year
or less to become the law of the land - all because of public pressure.

Warren Buffet is asking each addressee to forward this email to
a minimum of twenty people on their address list; in turn ask
each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will
have the message. This is one idea that really should be passed

Congressional Reform Act of 2012

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no
pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the
Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into
the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the
American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all
Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise.
Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and
participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the
American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void
effective 12/1/12. The American people did not make this
contract with Congressmen/women.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 14:08 PM

The general concensous is that most households will have the combined taxes equate to $25 a week. So the bottom line is I can look forward to being short at least a Ben Franklin every month.

gacpl commented on Wednesday, Jan 02, 2013 at 20:41 PM

the people lost on all sides, but heres some of the winners in the bill

$430 million for Hollywood through "special expensing rules" to encourage TV and film production in the United States. Producers can expense up to $15 million of costs for their projects.

$331 million for railroads by allowing short-line and regional operators to claim a tax credit up to 50 percent of the cost to maintain tracks that they own or lease.

$222 million for Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands through returned excise taxes collected by the federal government on rum produced in the islands and imported to the mainland.

$70 million for NASCAR by extending a "7-year cost recovery period for certain motorsports racing track facilities."

$59 million for algae growers through tax credits to encourage production of "cellulosic biofuel" at up to $1.01 per gallon.

$4 million for electric motorcycle makers by expanding an existing green-energy tax credit for buyers of plug-in vehicles to include electric motorbikes.

Iknowyou commented on Thursday, Jan 03, 2013 at 08:25 AM

The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds)
took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple!
The people demanded it. That was in 1971 - before computers, e-mail,
cell phones, etc.

Just for the record computers and cell phones have been around way before 1971.
The first cell phone came out in the 1950's.

HMJC commented on Thursday, Jan 03, 2013 at 09:40 AM

Last and greatest spin on who "won"

Winner: The Washington, D.C. culture of tax breaks for special interests

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Jan 03, 2013 at 13:15 PM

Maybe one of the major parties has been forced to uphold the Constitution.

Then again the other major party President has trampled all over it with executive orders.

I don't understand it.

Graeme245 commented on Saturday, Jan 05, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the "fact" that families that earn $450,000 (gross adjusted income) are middle class...

timeontarget commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 07:12 AM

I don't think a millionaire earns a million dollars in annual income.

A millionaire is one who can produce a financial statement of his net worth and the net worth is a million dollars or more.

There's probably more of them than you might think.

Our congress is loaded with millionaires and very few of them were millionaires before having been elected to congress.

A person should never attain millionaire status while working in service to the government or serving in elected office.

golfnut31316 commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 18:57 PM

Back to the question, who won? NOT the American people, or better yet the American tax payer. Those of us who have an income and pay income taxes.

So all of the tax revenue that will be raised by raising taxes on the richer will be wiped away by the taxed breaks given to Hollywood, Nascar, ect.

In the emergency bill for Sandy relief, we are paying for fish stuff in Alaska, new cars for the FBI.

The government will run out of money in March.
Spending has NOT be cut.
This is absurd.

Sheran commented on Sunday, Jan 06, 2013 at 19:41 PM

Who won? The entitlement people won, "Big Time". Not only do they get free food and cheap housing on top of the "Obama phone" now they get free "Obama Care"... That's who won!

Funkentelecky commented on Monday, Jan 07, 2013 at 21:25 PM

JimmyMack, check out your phone bills. If you have a cell phone look at the Federal Universal Service Charge for (Obama phone) see it here:


The 2.3% medical excise tax is upon us too, even though it started being collected from the wrong agencies right here at Cabela’s a sporting goods store, see:


17 million more Americans are on food stamps too; this is not good for the economy and the country, why aren’t you going after the source of this mess living in the Whitehouse? We need to be able to discuss the truth about the situation wholeheartedly.

And Chief, it can start happening in 2014 especially if the economy goes into another recession with BHO brandishing his bully pulpit culminating in the Republicans taking charge of both chambers of congress and therefore relegating BHO as a Lame Duck for his last two years like GWB!

timeontarget commented on Tuesday, Jan 08, 2013 at 07:21 AM

I saw where the democratic party is going to introduce legislation to abolish term limits for the office of President.

May God have mercy on this country.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Jan 09, 2013 at 12:08 PM

I digress to my original post, Who won? and just what did we win....

HMJC commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 08:22 AM

I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree as I most definetly do not feel like a winner....

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Jan 10, 2013 at 16:06 PM

HMJC I also don't think that we won anything.

These indeed are dark days.

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