This is a sad but true statement. Countless families are "welfare" families that generation after generation subsist on. Until it is not easy/lucrative to remain on the program, it will not change.
Good points. The other day I saw a TV spot where the talking heads were discussing radio ads which suggested that people go on food stamsps to "get fit" and "look better."
According to this article, more than one-third of all of the households in the city of Detroit are on food stamps.
During President Obama's first term, he spent his political capital on ObamaCare - while unemployment remained high; hundreds of thousands of people gave up looking for work; and his administration took a bow for a large increase in the number of people added to the food stamp rolls. And "we the people" gave him a second term as a reward. What's wrong with this picture?
During my lifetime, Detroit was a thriving metropolis where people had a decent quality of life supporting an industry that no one could imagine would be in the shambles it is in today. Why? Because "we the people" were short-sighted and weren't prepared for the economic calamity on the horizon created by the "global marketplace."
Now we are in the midst of another economic crisis, during which our elected representatives are still trying to score political points rather than FIXING THE PROBLEM. It reminds me of the lyrics from that old Peter, Paul and Mary song: "when will they ever learn?"
In this case (as was then), "they" is us.
Having worked for a brief period at DFACS (Department of Family and Children Services) I can tell you that there is a poverty threshold that is pretty stringent. It just ain't that easy to get on Foodstamps, fellas. Besides the bereaucratic humilty that many applicants have to endure in order to walk into a DFCS builing and produce "evidence" of their poverty the first time, they must continually on a regualar basis do such to a total stranger that sometimes "loses" their application or gets their numbers wrong.
True, there are abuses and users. They are every where. But the bottom line guys, hungry mal-nourished babies do not ask to be born.
Maybe the answer is just to conservatively cut costs and let them all starve to death. Private, church sponsored charity of food dispensation goes just so far.
And to wax spiritually for just a moment to assuage all you social conservatives reading this...one of Jesus' statements was to "feed the hungry."
Feeding the hungry is one thing.
Feeding the lazy and sorry is another.
Hungry babies don't ask to be born is true but the parents bear the responsibility.
A welfare system that supports loose women to give birth to illigetimate children is supporting an ever increasing number of less than deserving and less likely to succeed humanity.
Loose women? >:( What about dead beat fathers who don't step up and take care of the children they help make? It takes two to tango. At least those "loose women" haven't walked away from their responsibility.
Tot: who is to make the decision between the "lazy and "sorry?" Bible thumping dam-nation 'christians' such as yourself?
You know, comparing: "Don't feed the animals" to human beings being fed reveals the depth of your sad cold heart, TOT. That is NOT a "brilliant" statement but a dark and ignorant one.
One more time for you tough talking conservative boys and girls: YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY.
"YOU CANNOT LEGISLATE MORALITY"
I agree absolutely.
But you certainly can legislate immorality.
Just look around at gay marriage and such.
Yep... I quess so, you cretin. Have you taken the political pulse of the nation in your Pentcostal condemnation state?
I am growing tired of speaking to a buffoon. YouR social conservatively manufatured CULTURE WAR.....IS..,.OVER.
"YOU certainly legislate immorality," is without a doubt one more of the most profound mistatements ever to be put on these pages.
Ghandi: I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. On a somewhat lighter note, tho, Tot I encourage you to put forth more insightful caring fundamentalist christian caring of the masses to dignify your Christian care for the weak.
You, Tot are not worth the time of day.
Bravo TOT, How true, how true! I've seen the abuse of food stamps. I've heard people throw fits when Bill Clinton made changes to SNAP. Get a job!
up2 regarding loose women
By that I intend it to be unmarried females who engage in sex without contraceptives.
The father is just as responsible and his feet ought to be held to the fire of responsibility.
Sadly there are frequent births where the Mother is not certain who the Father is.
If that is not a loose woman then I don't know what is.
My original statement was
"Hungry babies don't ask to be born is true but the parents bear the responsibility".
I have heard of young men bragging about how many children they have fathered.
It is sad and disgusting but this liberal and corrupt society has been enabled by a welfare minded bunch of humanity which simply won't stand up and take responsibility for themselves.
I know several young females living off of public assistance received for their illegitimate child or children.
One recently had her second child and the first is barely walking.
There are plenty of young couples who choose to remain unmarried so that the Mother can receive assistance from the State.
Some of our participants on this electronic community watchdog condemn me for my position.
That does not bother me.
Those who approve the habits and behavior which I am talking about are in fact encouraging the decline in standards of morality and decency.
Someone tried to sell me their food stamps over the weekend where they could pay their cell phone bill.
That's what they said the money was for but you never know.
This blog right here is offensive in so many ways I don't even know where to begin.
First of all this is not "brilliant" and not some smart thing thought up by the writer.
And please understand I am not talking about all conservatives. The things I will talk about, you will know if it applies to you or not. And it is just my opinion.
Of course there are those who abuse the system. Twice it was said that it is not like it used to be. Jimmy and then people getting mad at the changes to SNAP. Everyone knows changes were made.
Loose women??? Really??? When your Savior to the Nation Mitt put down half the Nation calling them lazy and all. Did you not get the memo on who really gets the majority of these "entitlements"??? Its not the lazy for your information.
What's funny is most of these "lazy" people who get the most handouts are from RED states lol.
And what is sad is that so many who have this mentality are Christian. Just like TOT. Who are you to judge who is in need and Jesus would not be like you. I will never be like you. Let me be a stupid Liberal all day long than a judgemental person with no sympathy, think some should not be given equal rights. Well guess what. They are not yours to give. Everyone deserves the same rights as any other human being. And they will. The world is changing. That's one reason y'all lost and will continue to.
"If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.” ~ John F Kennedy
My son is gay, I guess you think that they choose it. Science has proven otherwise. But you probably don't beleive in science. I just hope you or the one's like you are NEVER given a child or grandchild who is. And believe me it can happen. That would be so terribly tragic for that child. And I'm also a single mother.
And Obamaphones??? OMG. That statement right there shows me just how uninformed you really are. If you had facts you would have never even made that stupid statment. I suppose Obama is Muslim and not from the US, he has mind control powers to use against us, or maybe thrown in the Anti-Christ too.
Again, I know all aren't like this, some here are pretty close or are. I don't agree and you don't have to agree with me but thats my opinion just like anyone elses about all of this.
Don't feed the Animals. What the crap.
TOT, unwanted pregancies are BOTH parents responsiblities. Men are just as responsible for the pregnacy as the women. Just because a woman has to bear the repsonsiblity of those actions and the men don't, doesn't make her values and morality any less than the man's. I had hoped we had progressed beyond the double stanard but apparently we haven't.
And just so you know,my nephew was born "out of wedlock". He was a striaght A honor student, in the band, held down a job in HS and graduated college. He is now married and is still gainfully employed. he has recently married and owns hos own home, all before the age of 25. He hasnever been ion trouble with the law. Sure there are people who abuse the system but we have bad cops, bad soliders, bad social workers, etc but no one beleives we should do away with them. You can;t help the needy without feeding the greedy.
up2 I said originally that the pregnancy was the responsibility of the parents.
That is plural and it means the man and the woman.
I in a later comment tried to clarify that I thought that the man bore the responsibility as much as the woman.
Yes TOT but you named called the women (Lazy and Loose) but no so the men, which idicated who you really thought was to blame. You need to check yourself, your misogyny is showing.
I think it is time to call Tot out.
TOT, I am asking politely: Would you please offer up here what, if any, would be your relationship IF YOU had a gay son, daughter, sister, brother, cousin etc.?
How would you treat them?
I'm fine with that.
Presently I'm wet and tired. The storm just a few minutes ago drove us into the yard and ended today's work.
I'll respond tomorrow if I awaken in time to allow me to respond.
At any rate I'll respond soon.
up2 everything it ok I think. We had a significant wind and lots of limbs and debris but mostly just much dissaray from things blowing all over the place.
The computer at the house got knocked out so I didn't get a chance to respond to Jimmy Macks request but I will do so in the next few days.
I want to respond and explain at least why I have the mindset that I do.
I really do not intend to offend any of you younger generations.
I'm simply from the old school.
"Those oldies but moldies remind me of youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......she-bop-she-bop-doo-wah-diddy-diddy-ooooooooooooooo!"
Old School: spare the rod, spoil the child. Segregation. Telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her own uterus. No rights for the handicapped. No funded sports for young women in college. Glass ceiling for women in the work place. No seating of blacks in restaurants frequented by whites. Keeping the mentally challenged or impaired at home; no inclusion in the mainstream curiculum....on and on.
Back to the question at hand TOT regarding your stance towards a son, daughter, brother, sister, cousing etc. that said they were gay. What say you.
Your computer seems working now.
My computer is still working:
"Spare the rod and spoil the child" is a concept that we're learning is probably sorely needed. When kids can sue their parents for "attempted discipline," we are truly living in The Bizarro World.
All changes are not necessarily "positive progress." President Clinton got an assault weapon ban passed, and our elected representatives allowed it to expire in 2004. I'm sure they - Republicans AND Democrats - did this in the name of "progress." Look where it got us: eight more years; a pack of massacres; and still (perhaps) no intestinal fortitude to tackle the problem.
My stance is simple. Homosexuality is abnormal and I don't care to be around it period.
It should be a private thing if someone finds that they are drawn to it.
I think the Holy Bible condemns it.
Regarding family members I've only encountered it with some cousins and there has always been some in my family.
I had an older cousin who never married and I always thought that he was queer as we were growing up.
However he never gave any verification as to his sexual orientation but it was apparent to most of us in the family.
He died in his mid forties. Not sure what the cause of death was according to the coroner.
He was discovered at his home and had been deceased for several days or perhaps a couple of weeks.
That was in the later half of the seventies probably 76 or 77.
Most likely died of aids.
I've known several admitted homosexuals and managed to have an understanding which has simply been keep it to yourself and I'm ok with that.
Don't touch me or mine.
As a sixteen year old I had an encounter with a predator queer and I had to literally fight him off on two separate occasions.
He was older than me and much larger than me but by God he did not have his way with me.
He finally learned to leave me alone.
Those two encounters were the most disgusting events of my life.
I wish I could not remember them however I cannot forget them.
If my son or daughter or a grandchild came out I'd still love them but my advise to them would be keep it to the confines of the privacy of their homes.
How is it not a private thing, TOT? What are you talking about...Open displays of affection? Seeing members of the same sex hold hands? Kiss? Hug?
Would you let your daughter or son bring their same sex lover to your dinner table?
Do not heterosexuals die of Aids?
Sebe: I have seen the ravages of parents utilizing the rod as a case worker in Child Protective Services and EDIS. You do NOT hit children Sebe. You divert or take things from them, or put them in time out...etc.
If you believe that it is o.k. to strike a child, I would be ever grateful to be shown a chart of some sort detailing when you can put the rod to a child, at what age to begin, at what age to end, how many blows can be inflicted and with what devices; can you do it in public or should you just maybe take it, like ToT says regarding homeosexuality, all behind doors where others cannot see it and do the blisterin' of their fannies or switching of their legs??
I am a mandated reporter for suspected child abuse. Not only can some people beat a child abusively, they can emotionally and mentally abuse a child which also includes outright neglect. Who gets to dish out the hitting? The 'good' parents. Who determines who the good ones are? I've seen it in check out lines and other places and have never not intervened in some way when it was glaringly obvious to not just me but to other people. I have asked: "do you need any help with your child, ma'am or sir, I will say. Or if not affected and the abuse continues I tell them who I am and that I am a mandated reporter and in some instances tell them I am going to get their tag number if they are going to a car or that I am going to make written note of it while documenting their behaviour and any witness' other than myself.
You don't strike children Sebe, ever. You don't hit them to make an adjustment in their behaviour. There are way better methods to alter their behaviour.
I do not spank and mine are great young men.
However, There is a story of a teenage boy who is no longer with us, committed suicide because of the teachings of his Church and his mother, making him think something was very wrong with him, he thought he was evil. His mother did not accept him and tried to change him. Even trying the Pray the gay away stuff that is frowned by every medical Association there is, that it does not work and it harms them. Yeah I would say it harmed him.
After the mother lost her son, she re-evaluted herself, her Church and what is taught (who turned their back on her and the family) and realized she had killed her son and it broke her heart. Her son was Bobby Griffith and his mother Mary Griffith is now one of the biggest National Crusader's for gay and lesbian youth there is. There are plenty more, way too many of our youth that kill themselves because of these things, especially not being accepted by their family. How horrible that must be.
Everyone should watch this movie. It could change the way you look at things. But for some that will never happen.
Thank you TOT for sharing your beliefs on the matter as you were asked. They are yours and thats fine.
But I would never ever tell my child to keep it in private and at home. I love my child unconditionally, so does everyone in my family and he is treated like anybody else. I want my child to be who he was born to be. And those that think they are not born that way, that is hogwash. But one thing I am very proud to say is my son could give 2 shits less what you or anyone else thinks. He really doesn't and I am so glad. He is happy and confident in who he is. I think I did a great job raising him and I am proud that I am a person who accepts my child instead of how so many do their own child. Its really sad.
And the Holy Bible condemns a lot of things. The Ten Commandments are broken in a blink of an eye and people don't care like they do this.
To my son, you are perfect. I wouldn't change on single hair on your head. You make me proud of the smart, kind person you are. Mama loves you baby.
I hope oneday ALL people have the same rights afforded to everyone. Asking for equal rights from people, when they are not anyone's to give. Its just how it should be, no one is better than anyone else.
Well said froggy.
So Tot: your logic regarding Dr. Spocks son, is if he had put the rod to him he would not have killed himself????
I have got to learn to get over your simplistic comments TOT. It seems words contrary to your thinking is like water to a duck's back.
froggy I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
That was not my intent. I tried to avoid telling my feelings but it was called for over and over.
Froggy did you ever experience the pain of fighting off a rapist?
The thousands of children in the Catholic Church who were abused by rapist preasts might can provide some insight as well as many women in our service academies and service ranks.
And now that you liberals have forced Obama (led by the bumbling Joe Biden) to push open homosexuality in the military there will be many young men preyed upon by predator queers such as I was at the ripe old age of sixteen.
That which we become tolerant of we get an ever increasing amount of.
Sodom and Gomorroh.
TOT, I am sorry for your pain. thatas a terrible thing and I hope that person got EVERYTHING they deserved. But to equate homosexuals with sexual perps is wrong. Example: Men who rape women are evil but all men are not rapists. I am not asking you to change your POV concerning the gay community, just not to tar all of its individuals with that brush.
Understood and agreed.
Predators are a different class.
Merry Christmas to all on this site,
Thank you Up2sumptin. You saved me a probably not pretty rant saying a little of what I had to say. You have Merry Christmas :)
I hope that in the new year we can discuss issues of concern regarding our opinions without the bitterness that some have quickly brought into the blog no matter what the subject might have been.
A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL