The Culture War Continues
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...and speaking of “echo chambers,” let’s examine some thoughts from a “progressive” one.

According to an “opinion piece” titled “No Thanks for Thanksgiving” written by Robert Jensen - a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin known for his “hard-left” politics - which appeared on the George Soros-connected website Alternet on Thanksgiving eve:

Thanksgiving is a “white-supremacist holiday” created by angry white men hell-bent on genocide and who committed a “European invasion of the Americas.” Jensen also compares the Founding Fathers to Nazi Germany. The subtitle of his piece reads: “Instead (of a Thanksgiving Day celebration), we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.” Jensen goes on to state: “One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.“

For the rest, see:

Are you laughing out loud? I wasn’t when I read this one. My first thought was that perhaps every now and then we SHOULD make a conscious effort to reflect on the state of our society and the true value of our culture. That’s part of the purpose of Thanksgiving Day, isn’t it? And upon completion of our reflection, we can decide whether we really want to be willing participants in a national holiday which gives thanks for - let’s face it - all the things the vast majority of our citizens consider “good” in their world, and without which we could all very well be living a life similar to those poor souls who merely exist in cities and towns in the Middle East.

Or maybe what we actually need is a “national day of atonement” instead - as Robert Jensen suggests - which apologizes and asks forgiveness for milestone events and actions which resulted in the creation of this country. I would point out that none of the events Jensen cites occurred during the lifetime of anyone now alive. Consequently, what Jensen actually suggests is that the present population “atone” for a supposed “genocide” which occurred hundreds of years ago; and which was allegedly perpetrated by people who were the actual ancestors of a miniscule number of Americans living in this country today. (Hmmm…..can anyone say “Civil War reparations?”) Also – Jensen wants his readers to totally forget the inconvenient truth that the historical basis for our current Thanksgiving holiday – the arrival in a new land of a relatively small band of people who were fleeing religious persecution by a tyrannical government – is about as far as you can get from being a “European invasion of the Americas.”

Lest you think this blog is a frivolous exercise, I am dead serious – or at least as serious as Robert Jensen is. Jensen’s ideas “echo” those being put forth by a significant element of the constituency which placed our current President in the White House, and which is now gloating over his reelection. Do we want a present day culture along the lines that Mr. Jensen proposes? Shall we substitute “Mea Culpa Day” for Thanksgiving Day?

You decide.

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timeontarget commented on Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 14:41 PM

Hummm, Interesting, I will ponder this before I comment.

Funkentelecky commented on Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 15:35 PM

Me too!

up2sumptin commented on Saturday, Nov 24, 2012 at 17:03 PM

A Nazi? Really Murr?

Rand commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 08:52 AM

That's funny. Republican brownshirts. Your fuhrer, Obama, just graduated the first class of Obama Youth recently. They are really the next class of jack booted thugs the fascist regime is ready to throw at the hard working, tax paying republicans who support this great country. Take a look and get your facts straight.

Graeme245 commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 13:57 PM

Yet "Murrelet" the LEFT is now calling Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in Blackface" & Nancy Giles of CBS News is accusing Republicans of closing Planned Parenthood & Abortion Clinics in our great "Eugenics" & White Race rebuilding, what ever is a centrist to do or believe for that matter?!?!?!

sebekm commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 16:51 PM

Once again, Murrelet obfuscates and changes the subject. It was a "progressive" writer (no doubt a "hero" to them) who used the brown shirt analogy and proposed the apology. Jensen claims to represent "progressive" views and writes as a standard bearer for "progressive" ideas. Let's hear what another self-professed "progressive" has to say about a "progressive" opinion which has been exposed to the light of day.

HEY MURRELET: Why don't you comment on Jensen's proposal? He wrote it; he suggested it; claimed it was appropriate: I DIDN'T. Do you like it? Do you think it is a good idea? Should we dump Thanksgiving in favor of "a day of atonement" and fasting?

Come on - what do you have to say about it? Address the SUBJECT - for a change.

timeontarget commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 16:58 PM

Yes speak up and answer or stop the childish blather.

Rand commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 18:14 PM

Oh I know exactly what a fascist is. I also know what an ignoramus is. Fascist=Obama ignoramus=Murrelet
When I compare Obama to Hitler I certainly feel that it is correct usage of the word fascist. That is unless you don't think Hitler was fascist? You are just like your leader. When you can't refute something you use diversion and insults. I think we've had this conversation before. Keep your silly opinions to yourself.

Rand commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 22:38 PM

Did you even look at the link in my post? Tell me that the Obama youth doesn't stink of an emerging fascist state. Never mind. You obviously don't have the intelligence to comprehend, hence,ignoramus.

Funkentelecky commented on Sunday, Nov 25, 2012 at 23:36 PM

Happy 62nd Birthday Michael Sebek, you are indeed an American Patriot sir!

HMJC commented on Monday, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I wonder what the response would be if a decision was pending to only celebrate one day of Black history as oppossed to an entire month. Lets take it further, only one day a year for all ethnic groups so as not to "over celebrate" so as not to offend. If we spent more time actually reflecting as oppossed to trying to make the meaning of any said holiday more than what it is, things might not be so contentious.

HMJC commented on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2012 at 08:11 AM

Murr, I kinda of agree with you; obama might not be a facist. He sure as hell is a socialist though. Feel free to define if need be..

HMJC commented on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Murr, can you please define "corporatist"? Also please pair the definition with the current administartions policies. You of course do not have to reply but I am interested to understand how you came to that conclusion. As for how other countries govern, not interested until we can figure out how to govern our own. Thanks

sebekm commented on Tuesday, Nov 27, 2012 at 13:19 PM

"No, not at all. I just insist that people know how to use English words correctly. As for sebekm, I have always thought he was a sexist and a racist. Therefore, this blog entry does not surprise me in the least. It's always the fascists, the racists, the sexists, etc., who insist that a sanitized version of "history" be told to the masses. Nothing new here."

You STILL have not commented on Jensen's plea to dump Thanksgiving Day in favor of A Day of Atonement. Do you agree with this "progressive" viewpoint? What do you think of his IDEAS? What is YOUR opinion.

Yes - there's nothing new here. Any racism or sexism is being demonstrated by JENSEN. You refuse to admit it. That's nothing new. You attack instead of engaging in a debate of ideas. That's nothing new. YOU HAVE NO IDEAS - ONLY OBFUSCATION. That's nothing new.

"Happy 62nd Birthday..."

Thanks, Funky - another one bites the dust. I've been away from the computer for a few days "celebrating the Thanksgiving holidays" (as opposed to apologizing and atoning for the "genocide" that my "angry white male" non-ancestors perpetrated on our Native Americans. I hope all of you who do not share Herr Jensen's warped viewpoint also had a great Thanksgiving - without apologies.

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012 at 05:22 AM

Social Security is not an entitlement furnished by the government.

It is purchased by the employee with a match provided by the employer.

Bought and paid for by the individual, through his or her work ethic over the course of a lifetime.

Medicade on the other hand is stolen from the social security trust fund for the welfare recipient who goes begging to the government.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012 at 08:37 AM


just for the record, I did not need a history lesson. My inquiry was to ask you to elaborate on your thoughts. I do not recall asking you to include whether he is black or white. Just an objective comparison that validates your claim.

up2sumptin commented on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012 at 09:11 AM

TOT, Medicaid is not just for the welfare reciepent. Many hardworking low income people, such as low ranking military, get Medicaid. Then there are the people who worked hard all their lives (like my great aunt who worked since she was 14 and was not unemployed until she retired) but did not make enough to get full RSDI benefits (Social Security as opposed to SSI. Then there are the disabled children who grown into disabled adults. Without Medicaid, they would not be able to get ANY health insurance. While welfare receipants do get Medicaid, in the overall picture, they are a small minority.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:39 PM

No worries Murr, as per the usual, insults in the place of you actualy validating your position with specific claims to specific instances. Rant on murr, rant and insult on. Just remember when you choose to use that sort of rhetoric, any point you were trying to make is lost in your self rightousness

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Nov 28, 2012 at 16:57 PM

"Sebekm, I said I think you are a racist and a sexist. If you need further clarification, here it is: I think your racism was the motivation behind your post. There is no reasoning with racists, thus I have nothing further to say to you about this or, really, anything else."

Try being less of a motivational analyst and more of a direct question responder:

What do you think of JENSEN's viewpoint? How in the world can my being a racist or a sexist possibly affect JENSEN'S opinions and suggestions about Thanksgiving? Jensen published his viewpoint for the entire world to see. I spotlighted HIS opinion in his own words, and asked whether our society should continue to "give thanks" as we historically have or whether we should "apologize and atone" (Jensen's words - not mine). I did so respectfully without any name-calling or labeling. You could learn something from this approach.

You chose to respond by attacking me - as usual. Not by answering the questions or by directing your comments to the issues, but by attacking and derogatory labeling. But then - what else is new?

You won't answer because you refuse to either label "one of your own" negatively - or you don't want to AGREE with him. That would involve taking responsibility for what is obvious to the vast majority of Americans as an "out of the mainstream" viewpoint.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 18:34 PM

"Racicm?" I quoted Jensen and asked whether we should apologize instead of giving thanks. You are obfuscating because you don't want to admit that "one of yours" has an idea so out of the mainstream that it would be laughed at by 99% of the population of this country.

When I wrote the blog, I had no idea whether Jensen was black or white. I was considering HIS IDEA. That's something you ought to try for a change.

Your "deference" argument is more obfuscation. It's there for the world to see.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Dec 05, 2012 at 18:48 PM

…..also – why don’t you try making a POSITIVE contribution to these blogs for a change? The only thing you do is trash everyone and every thing you comment about.

Oh – I guess that’s where you came up with the “self-validating” approach.

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