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I have titled this piece, It's All Over But the Shouting, not because I thought of it on my on but it is the name of the book by the same title written by Rick Bragg. It's a must read and once you have read it you will never forget it. Besides I have always wanted to use the phrase or work it in somehow to a blog or letter to the Editor. However, it does have relevance as it pertains to this last Presidential Election since the title pertains to a dying father's words to his son from his death bed, and how it relates to the GOP. AGAIN!

Before I got kicked off this site once, I wrote a piece after the 2008 Election of BHO and noted to conservatives: "that the ship has sailed, and left them alone at the dock..." Look it up. I knew then and I know now that the world, and more specifically our country, has and is changing while Conservatives cling to the myth of the 1950's. Conservatives have been trying to restore OUR PAST ever since the changeing of the world and country started in the sixties. Except, it's less a real past than a collective yearning for the perceived simplicity and normmalcy of yesterday. And is not "OURS" in any sense, belonging instead to the collective memory of those who had the color, gender, ethinicity or sexual orientation that signified rightness back in that mythic long ago.

In a word, it is not REAL- and it never was. Ozzie and Harriet and Father Knows Best were fictional t.v. shows that Conservatives latched onto and to this day continue to idealize no matter the fictitious nature of these yesteryear shows. It is the Republican Gold standard of how things are or should be. This is why they lost. Again.

However, the power the myth holds upon Conservtive minds to this day is undeniable in the face of changing demographics and societal norms. Hey, you guys, wake up. The New Normal is here and there is nothing you can do about it.

We are legalizing Pot, we are electing women, we embrace varied ethnicities and color, and we do not mind Gays getting married. We are not married to an aging white man concept of a fictitious bygone era. You have got to rethink what you are selling cause Americans are not buying it anymore. Conservatives need to extinquish their rage and try something else. I vote they try another R word called RECONCILIATION. Forget the politics of Anger and that of the Tea Party. Rage doesn't cut it here anymore.

You have to either come to terms in accepting the new normal, or it will lead to the death of the Republican party as it is defined today. You will be left in your own peculiarly defective political life boat as the Ship continues to sail away. And in that scenario, it WILL be...all over but the shouting. Your wailing for the good ship America to comeback will go unheard. And you will be left in it's wake. All alone, and finally...thankfully...silent.

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sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 19:49 PM

Good blog, Jimmy. Only two points from me, since I'm pecking it out on a cell phone:

*We won't see the "death of the GOP" - at least not in OUR lifetimes. No matter how the next four years play out in Washington, the losing party in this election will do what all the runners-up have done: figure out "what went wrong" and reload for next time. WHY? Because:

*57 million votes for a candidate the party didn't want in the first place is no myth. A lifetime of traditional upbringing and values is no myth. Those who believe that this country is going to hell in a handbasket do not believe the degradation of our society is a myth.

The only thing that was decided on Tuesday was who occupies the Oval Office until 2016. The culture war continues. 57 million people believe the wrong. man won on Tuesday. I am one of them.

I am not alone, and I won't be silent.

Sheran commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 19:58 PM

sebekm, Nor will I be silent! Why was this hidded my the "Media":


sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 20:12 PM

(...and I'm neither a registered Republican nor a *real* conservative. I just can't stomach the approach, tactics, or platform of the Democratic Party.)

sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 20:23 PM

Hi Sheran. I imagine it was hidden for the same reason the Benghazi story was buried: to minimize any pre-election damage to Obama. I hope they crank up the investigations on Benghazi especially.

Sheran commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 20:23 PM
Sheran commented on Thursday, Nov 08, 2012 at 20:32 PM

Thank you sebekm, you caught my point! Why was that also covered up during the elections?

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:36 AM

Many lost causes have had 'dead-enders' amongst them. I am sorry for this bit of news you guys, but like it or not Conservatives have got to change in several ways if they are to survive. An embracement of a stronger TEa Party like
mindset will result in a crash and burn in 2016 and mid-year elections. The conservative snake oil as it bottled today is no longer selling.

Adapt or kiss the baby.

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:58 AM

The only things that have to change are the messenger and a small part of the message. The Repubs won't waste any time in changing the messenger - there are a whole pack of 'em ready to put the bit between their teeth. As to the message, I like Krauthammer's strategy as articulated in my related blog.

The Dems "fixed" their "catastrophic problems" of Reagan/Bush 41 and Bush 43 - when their party was classified as "dead," "out of the mainstream," "politcally undone," and came up with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. In both of these cases, it was the MESSENGER that carried the day. That is an unfortuate fact of life in today's politcal arena. This time around, you saw it especially in the GOP primary. Is there any way in hell the country would have elected Newt Gingrich or Michelle Bachmann? How about Sarah Palin? It wasn't their message that got them bounced from the GOP primaries (and McCain-Palin from the general election in 2008), it was that they couldn't win the "beauty contest."

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama - let's everyone admit it - are "mainstream" media darlings unlike any others since JFK. The media was ready, willing, and able - in the words of Dennis Green - to "crown their @ss*s" as soon as they saw there was something there to sell. It will always be an uphill fight for ANY GOP candidate - regardless of message - if they are unable to win the beauty contest.

If you hadn't noticed, the GOP increased their numbers in the U.S. House of Representatives in this election. Plus - the latest news I saw indicates that when all the ballots are counted, the Republicans could have upped their state governorships to as many as 33 — the most since the 1920s and one more than they had in the 1990s. Finally, the Republicans still hold the lead in State legislatures with with 3,795 at latest count, despite some Democrat gains in the recent election.

So the message is in no way "dead" or outdated. As I said before, Mr. Obama now has a "do-over" and four more years to get it right. Depending on how he plays it - AND IT IS HE WHO MUST TAKE THE LEAD AND *CAUSE* PROGRESS - the country will decide again in 2016.

My sense is that in 2016, the country will REALLY be ready for some "hope" and "change." And they won't have Barack Obama as their messenger any more.

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 12:04 PM

(...zap one "with" from the last sentence in para 4 above...)

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 13:28 PM

And if you want to see a really great illustration - in red and blue - of the current makeup of the national electorate, go here (before he switches the graphic):


...but be careful if the color red induces in you any adverse physical or psychological effects...

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 15:13 PM

Thanks Sebe. However, IMHO, as long as Conservatives embrace: NO ABORTIONS for women, are viewed as oblivious to the other 47% of Americans, continue their Anti-Gay stance, and also not find a way to incorporate the ever growing mass of minorities: single moms, latinos, blacks etc. then they are doomed politically, no matter their adherence to fiscal conservatism.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 15:35 PM

And...I really do not know how they can do it without alienating their hard core constituents beginning with the Tea Party. For too long Conservatives have been the party of 'subtraction.' I do not think they know HOW to comprehend 'addition'.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Nov 09, 2012 at 15:52 PM

"I am not alone and I won't be silent."

Sebe. I am not suggesting true Independents pack it in. I am tho, saying that the shrillness,virulendnce, no body gets in unless they look and act like us, NEEDS silencing. And I will only also include those "Independents" who ENDORSE this bygone way of thinking of America.

SportsFan31313 commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:32 PM

"This is no longer that 1930's 40's 50's 60's 70's 80's or 90's. Time has changed, and whether or not you like it, it has. This is a "younger generation" who no longer looks at a person's skin color to see whether or not he or she is fit to hold a political office, or qualified to for a certain employment position. The right extreme conservative views rest with the "older generation". I strongly believe that this Republican Party will eventually fizzle away just like the Tea Party, and America would no longer have to deal with extreme conservative views that this past election has succumb to."

sebekm commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Jimmy - when you talk about shrill and virulent, you only have to look at the blogs from the left - and even the posts on this here blog site - to get the best examples. Here a just a few of them. You've seen them before. They are the comments by people who:

*Think that everybody who believes in God is a "religious fanatic"

*Believe that everyone who supports traditional marriage (i.e., between one man and one woman) is a "homophobe"

*Characterize everyone who doesn't want abortion as part of a national birth control policy as a "misogynist"

*Refer to anybody who doesn't agree with their point of view as "stupid," an "idiot," a "clown," a "liar," a "fool," and a myriad other abusive and derogatory tags

My dear Jimmy - these are the tactics employed overwhelmingly by the extremists on the LEFT. If you want other examples. check the tweets by the Obama supporters in the days running up to the election.

From my perspective, the terms "shrill" and "virulent" should be in the Democratic Party platform.

SportsFan31313 commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I don't agree with taking personal attacks solely for their very won personal views. I spoke on that in an earlier blog. As mature adults, we should be able to agree to disagree. Personally, I don't agree with the name calling simply because you don't agree with another person's views. However; I do agree with a lot of the postings of this blogger you are referring to. But this is America, and again, whether you like it or not, everyone has the right to express their own opinion.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 14:09 PM

Really Sebe?! Where do you place people on the right such as Ann Coulter who refers to Dems as "treasonous", Glenn Beck, Shawn Hannity and the right wing granddaddy of hate: The ever condeming Rush Limbaugh and the veritable host of other right wing 'talk' radio hosts. You can find very few Left wing hate mongers in their league. They preach it,hate, to the masses. We have a a few lunies but none quite so virulent as these people noted above who make millions of dollars handing out their tripe.

But the real question I guess, is what heretofore VALUE are conservatives gonna now forsake to get back in the game? I tell ya, if they would endorse legalizing and taxing Pot, it would be kinda in line with their 'paying down the deficit' mantra that accompanies their extreme stances on other social issues. But...I just don't think they will do that. They are gonna have to sell out one of their other conservative 'values' to retain relevancy.

Doing this at half-time of SC-Ark. Will be back.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 14:44 PM

"....everyone has the right to express their own opinion."

But they DON'T have the right to express it in a way which is bullying, abusive, derogatory, defamatory, or which violates this site's terms of use. THAT'S what I object to.

Jimmy: I'm not defending vitriole or shrillness on the right, but your portrayal of it as something which is EXCLUSIVE to the right is 100% off the mark. You have big, foul mouths on both sides on television. But what I've seen by the lefties on twitter and in the blogosphere far surpasses anything that comes from the right. In fact - most of it - as especially on THIS here blog site - is in response to potty-mouthed attacks from those on the left.

That was my point - and the reason for my counter-argument to your comments.

Funkentelecky commented on Saturday, Nov 10, 2012 at 19:45 PM

Brother Jimmy, Bill Maher, Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Lawrence O’Donnell, Al Sharpton and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz are in the league that you put the aforementioned conservatives in; however they are even worse and the left wing media allows it see Maher here:


And Brother Jimmy here’s Megyn Kelly from America Live, presenting liberal bias against Freedom Works and the Tea Party. I realize you are a busy man with responsibilities to take care of so that’s why I’m presenting research that you probably don’t have the time to do. Please watch this.


And now here’s Ed a must see of hatred:


The left is more intolerant than conservatives. Conservatives espouse principles from our Founders in general. However I agree they need to address their approach and not alienate people who have been drinking the leviathan kool-aid most of their lives!

JimmyMack commented on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

How Bout Them Dawgs, fellas!!!!

Funkentelecky commented on Sunday, Nov 11, 2012 at 15:02 PM

How Bout Our Veterans!!!!!

JimmyMack commented on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Yes, Funk. How Bout Our Veterans!!

As noted to Sebe on another blog...ain't y'all a little tired of the politics? I am. There is always another election cycle unless the Mayans are right. So yall save your ammo til the next go round. Lord willin' I hopefully will be here to be kicked around somemore. :)

sebekm commented on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 13:12 PM

Yes - Let's shut down the shouting, too - shut it down now. There will be a next time for sure. We can all watch what happens between now and then, and see who REALLY won this time around (if anybody).

Jimmy: you have to stick around. We NEED you. As for being kicked around - remember that even ol' Tricky Dick came back:


sebekm commented on Monday, Nov 12, 2012 at 13:16 PM

....but his best clip besides his resignation speech is this one, which will go down in the anals (misspelling and pun intended) of history as including one of the great quotes of all time:


JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:47 AM

Yep Sebe...I 'borrowed' those: kick around anymore... from tricky dick. We are showin our age, buddy.

JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Thanks for the kind words also, Sebe. But that Mayan thing is in a countdown mode! ;) We may be in big trouble, hoss.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 07:07 AM

I want to add my two cents worth to this blog.

Good points have been made from some of us on the left as well as some of us on the right.

It is important that we continue to have opposing views.

A good debater can take either side of a particular issue and make good points.

I only recognize a couple of the names of talk radio and television because I refuse to listen to any of them from any side.

I was taught from an early age to read the newspaper and particularly the editorial page.

Whether you follow Coulter, Buchanan, Will, Krauthammer, or my favorite Cal Thomas when a syndicated columnist puts something in print it is valid and you can bank on it being true.

Sadly our print media is dying on the vine.

Mediums such as this site are becoming the norm.

Loose lips sink ships.

Foul mouths usually reflect lack of understanding and reasoning.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 07:17 AM

The Mayan thing is a concern to me.

I don't see how God can be as pleased with the world today as at times in the past.

I don't fully understand the "thing about Israel"

I'd like to know more.

We might just be close to the end.

I'm not saying we are because I don't know.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 07:21 AM

Jimmy Mack the issue of marijuana is of utmost concern to me also.

I am working on a piece on that subject and when I launch it I hope you will join me in a discussion on the merits of the consideration of legalization.

JimmyMack commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 14:14 PM

Ok TOT. It makes sense to me. Prohibition failed and we are wasting billion of money fighting the already lost war on drugs. I say: legalize it, tax it and educate people.

sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 22:14 PM

Hmmmm....here is a riddle:

If a good debater can take either side - what can a MasterDebater do?

sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 23:18 PM

Jimmy: I think of all the Presidents I have heard in my lifetime, I have enjoyed Nixon the most. Kennedy and Reagan were a close second. They had those terrific speechwriters - Buchanan, Sorenson, Noonan - but I really got a charge out of their delivery. Especially Nixon - who always seemed to be trying to combine slick with sinister in his pitches. Kennedy was cool sophistication. Reagan was...well...the Gipper. I'll post a youtube of Reagan's best Russian jokes when I get back on the computer. (I haven't figured out how to cutnpaste

sebekm commented on Thursday, Nov 15, 2012 at 23:21 PM

...on this new smartphone yet...).

sebekm commented on Friday, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Here it is - live from the lecturn....it's RONALD REAGAN!


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