Ryan vs. Biden
by HMJC
Last comment by sebekm 1 year, 9 months ago.

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Wow, thought there would be a little chatter to opion who prevailed. I will be your huckleberry and get this started.
Biden
He does present an air of being familiar with the issues and presenting a point in such a way that it does not seem to be as severe. However, a lot of this was overshadowed by his unprofessional performance. He was rude, condescending, and dismissed a portion of Ryan’s points with a “Malarkey” without presenting why that particular fact was false. If I were a swing voter, Bidens performance would have no bearing on my vote. Main reason being, he was a vice president for four years and you might be lucky if 1 in 5 would know his name; clearly a non-factor.

Ryan
Ryan held his own, he missed a couple of opportunities though to heat things up a little bit. One being to continue with the presentation of how the obama administration has to reach out and search for weaknesses in the Romney camp. Bottom-line, no tangible list of successes of the current status quo can run on. They have no platform except:
1. The economy is not my fault, I got it like that
2. Same excuse for foreign policy
3. My term is incomplete, need four more years.
4. I couldn’t pass any billis because of the evil Republicans.

That’s where I wish Ryan would have went……..This debate will have little to no effect for the Romney camp however, nor will the obama camp. That in itself is a small victory. This might be a close one after all.


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JimmyMack commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 13:30 PM

BHO by a nose at the wire....(Ohio)

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 13:36 PM

Hi HMJC. My sense was that folks were burned out on politics, so I was reluctant to start anything. But here's my take on last night's "debate":

*Nobody "won," as indicated by the post-debate polling and the spin on both sides. I graded Romney-Obama I in boxing terms as a 10-8 win for Romney. I'd grade last night as an 8-8 tie, solely based on an 8 point minimum. I'd make it a 2-2 tie if the floor wasn't 8 points.

*Biden probably turned a lot of people ("independents") off with his demeanor - especially by being a "butt-in-ski." Romney butted in a lot during the first presidential debate, but not with the frequency and rudeness of Biden.

*Both tried to make their "points," but I found Biden to be all over the place with his numbers - throwing around millions and billions and trillions seemingly at random and I'm sure contradicting himself. I found it very difficult to keep track of his figures and whether there was any consistency to them. After awhile, I didn't even try.

*Ryan showed proper "deference" to his elder (both in age and political seniority), and I think he suffered because of it. But the alternative would have been to be just as rude and "butt-in-ski" as Biden, and in that free-for-all, the younger guy usually comes across as being mean and disrespectful. So Ryan did himself a favor by not going there, but in appearance that made him come off as playing defense more than he actually was (or had to).

*All-in-all, I thought it was an uninspiring debate - certainly a let-down from last week. I'm sure lots of people who might have otherwise tuned in were glad there were a couple of MLB playoff games and an NFL game on the tube at the same time. I cut away to those briefly but frequently, and when I returned to the debate it was obvious that I hadn't missed anything really important.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 13:39 PM

Jimmy: I think the worm has turned (or is it the Titanic?) The next two debates will be critical for Obama. His numbers are definitely eroding:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...

A few weeks ago on this very map the Obama/Biden number was over 300.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 14:00 PM

My final thought on last night's debate is this:

I'm not sure I get warm fuzzies with the knowledge that either of these two guys could be "a heartbeat away from the Presidency." And in Biden's case, I think it's downright frightening. Osama Bin Laden was right about one thing - this guy is "totally unprepared" to be President. And I'm not sure any amount of preparation would help.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 14:29 PM

....and here's Peggy Noonan's insightful thoughts on last night:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com...

HMJC commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 15:49 PM

Although historically the debates have not been a significant factor; this may not be the case in this race. One huge advantage the Romney camp has during the debates is to be able to hammer home the point that the incumbants first four years were basically a loss. There has not been o whole lot of talk about "change" as the first four years were not a positive change. That really is the crux for me. I have already lived four years of change, time to give someone else a chance.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 16:17 PM

I agree. This year's Prez debates may be viewed in historical perspective as a game-changer. The response to the Romney win last week was extraordinary. If he maintains the momentum in the next two (translated: gets at least a draw) and they can spend all their bucks in the last 10 days before the election on attack ads in the swing states, it may just pull enough "independents" to make a difference. The polling already shows a significant shift in women, young people, and other "undecided's" toward Romney. That's what's driving the map changes I linked to above.

golfnut31316 commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 16:36 PM

If I were in the undecided category, I would not vote for the Biden side because of his attitude.

However since I am an Independent and It seems I cannot hope for a Ron Paul win. I am stuck with Romney.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 17:11 PM

That's how I've had to vote for as long as I can remember: against one guy instead of FOR somebody.

And speaking of Biden's attitude, it appears that he's a PREVARICATOR, too:

http://freebeacon.com/biden-claims-he...

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/pos...

and

http://freebeacon.com/carney-walks-ba...

lholmes commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 21:34 PM

Biden was a jerk that "ebellished" quite a few facts. Ryan looked like a shy little bookwormy professor that has a hard time relating to people. He looks like he's more comfortable with books or in a lab or something. Biden seems like the type of guy that smokes cigars in the back room making shady, underhanded deals...a good 'ol boy. If I had to choose based on V.P.'s and last night's debate, I would choose Ryan.

Iknowyou commented on Monday, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I took a break and went on a trip to the mountains for a week and never, not one time turned on a television.
This maybe my new norm.

sebekm commented on Monday, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM

My parents used to say that if a person watched too much television their brain would turn into mush. This was way back in the days when there was only about 4 hours of daily progamming on four networks.

Now we know the rest of the story.....

JimmyMack commented on Monday, Oct 15, 2012 at 17:09 PM

BHO by a nose at the wire.

sebekm commented on Monday, Oct 15, 2012 at 17:36 PM

The polls are turning. Now Romney is EVEN with women, and still up with men. The latest news is that the President may be contemplating an "October Surprise" - attack/bombing the now-admitted al Qaeda-connected murderers of our Libyan ambassador. I predict that it will not be enough. Romney "unfiltered" came through at the debate two weeks ago, and that's when the American people got a clear look at the GOP nominee without Dem-obscured propaganda.

The latest analysis I've seen and heard (today) likens this election more and more to 1980. At this very same point (3 weeks out), Carter supposedly had a very comfortable lead. As it turned out, the result was that Reagan carried 40 states and won the election handily.

We'll see how things go in Romney-Obama Debate II later this week, and which side starts to really panic after that.

Good stuff.

Funkentelecky commented on Monday, Oct 15, 2012 at 21:19 PM

Governor Romney will win the debate tomorrow night because BHO can't run from his failed record and the Govenor has a record of success of reaching across party lines in Massachusetts which was 87% Democratic during his tenure. I still don't understand how people can put party, race and ideaology ahead of the fate of this nation.Especially when we have a Phony In Chief to Fire!

timeontarget commented on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 at 06:40 AM

I too don't understand how people can put party, race and ideology ahead of the fate of this nation.

Some folks are sheep as they step up to the harness and willingly wear the blinders.

They are the problem.

JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Eyes wide open here TOT! BHO by a nose at the wire.

sebekm commented on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Hi Jimmy: Obviously, I disagree - even though his nose seems to be growing every day. I wonder how much longer it will get tonight?

JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 at 13:50 PM

Hi Sebe. Just got back from voting...fair amount of traffic but not like it will be on Election Day.

I guess I can see where you are going with your vote. Course you know I hate to see it going that way. But considering how we both view Zig-Zag Zell in different lights, I only hope that other Zig-Zaggers do not follow you or him to the voting machine.

BTW: Romney's nose is longer. He just can afford a better plastic surgeon than BHO.

sebekm commented on Tuesday, Oct 16, 2012 at 14:16 PM

Yeah - actually, I've already been there (as in where I went with my vote). The whole household sent in our mail-in ballots a couple of weeks ago. So I know Romney is going to get at least three votes from this area.

As far as Romney and what he can afford, I guess he does have some money left for a plastic surgeon. It was recently revealed that nearly 58% of his total income last year went to either taxes or charity (which in some circles are considered SYNONYMOUS). But that left him nearly 8 million bucks:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/taxes-c...

But let me ask you something:

Who do you prefer having as your President - somebody who knows how to actually MAKE money, or somebody who only knows how to run up trillions of dollars worth of DEBT?

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 17, 2012 at 06:48 AM

JimmyMack, your eyes might be wide open but to some you appear to have the blinders on just like a plowmule.

JimmyMack commented on Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 14:17 PM

Sebe: see my answer to your PUHHHAHLEEEZZZ comment on another blog and the answer to the one above.

TOT: What's your real name? Does it rhyme with Howard???

sebekm commented on Thursday, Oct 18, 2012 at 18:33 PM

Jimmy: I saw it and commented.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Oct 19, 2012 at 05:58 AM

JimmyMack I was once called Lucky.

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Well, I cannnot remember a Lucky from BI or elsewhere. I really do not mind some anonymity here as long as it does not involve anonymous criticism, or name calling or labeling of me or others. And I think TOT you are walking a fine line here when it comes to some remarks you've slung in my direction: : "blinders on"...."mule cart something or other"....Your quote that "many here think etc etc etc...about me... Really now? When did you run and get elected to represent what "many here think about me?" Did I miss your election to that post.

No Tot. You are on the verge of becoming an anonymous name caller. A Coward (rhymes with Howard)of sorts. A bit more of this will afford me liberty to take it up a notch or two.

sebekm commented on Friday, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Please don't.

up2sumptin commented on Friday, Oct 19, 2012 at 13:06 PM

Jimmy, please don't get banned again. I would miss you.

timeontarget commented on Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 08:32 AM

JimmyMack my intent was not to offend you individually.

I don't understand people blindly staying a course because of party affiliation.

I am neither Democrat nor Republican.

I'm probably close to being a Libertarian but then I'm not one of them either.

I'm American and proud of that, very much so.

I've tried to express my opinions without personally offending any one blogging on this site.

Some here seem to be looking for a fight with their nasty comments about others.

Having said these things I also must add, if the shoe fits then wear it.

Take it wherever you will I will tolerate any reasonable rhetoric and will respond in kind.

Bring it on if you must.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 08:47 AM

TOT: I only "bring it" to those that deserve it. I think you are walking a fine line, espescially lately.

So, TOT, the reality is: There are Democrats and Republicans. TWO DIFFERENT politcal species. Both parties go after each other for winning the Independents with no party affiliation to win elections. Third party candidates are perennial losers in this game. I have made my choice on whose OVERALL policies that I will support and that is the Democratic Party.

I am not bothered by your Libertarianism. It just has a snowballs chance in Hell of winning in the environment of the TWO party system we are in.

However, as noted above, your comments regarding ME indicate a flirtation with personal denigration. I have learned to play better in the Sandbox and also have learned the "legal" way to fire off verbal\written salvos if necessary.

I aim to meet like with like regarding the scribblings on this cyber bathroom wall.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 08:55 AM

I must now excuse myself to all here in preparation for GAMEDAY.

Activities today include: wearing a Florida Gator hat (yes I said that) for a few hours, firing up the grill for some fish that have been marinating all nite, unwrapping the forever ubiquitous Saturday potato salad, and preparing baked Vidalia Onions with butter, sour cream and worteshire (sic) sauce.

Washed down with some Amber Bock Brewskies.

Then watching the Dawgs trounce Kentucky at 7:00 pm.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Oct 20, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Go Dawgs. I'm also looking forward to SC at FL; LSU at TX A&M; as well as KState at WVA. Should be a great day for some footsball....


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