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George Washington warned us in his farewell address of the danger of political parties. He called attention to the fact that if we became loyal to a particular party it would be at the cost of less loyalty to the Union itself.
Gridlock has made our Congress unable or unwilling to function as our forefathers planned.
These blogs on this site have become little more than childish exchanges of Democrat versus Republican attempts to get the best of each other.
Regardless of which side manages to prevail we the people suffer the consequences.
A small column was printed in The Savannah Morning News Tuesday Oct 9th on this very subject. The writer Lane Filler makes the point with the statement quoted below.
"We are a two party system-not by law, but because the Democrats and the Republicans have seized the mechanisms of government. They use their control to maintain power, and other parties can't compete. This causes a bunch of self perpetuating, corrosive behaviors, like government funded primaries for those major parties, which are really nothing but private organizations."
The Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson will not be participating in any of the debates because of the two party lock on the ballot box.
Filler further stated "Few would want every lunatic who says he's running for president on the stage. But it would be good to hear from more than the two big brands.
It feels like "the establishment"--corporations and power players--don't care which of the two major candidates wins. They just want to be sure a Ron Paul or Gary Johnson can't win, or, that often unconventional ideas can't be heard. and until enough people make noise, it wont change."
We have been robbed by the greatest partisan move ever in that the Democratic party in partnership with the Republican party has locked out all other points of view but their own. Our government is not functioning properly and the result is a genuine mess in Washington.

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timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:26 AM

I don't know just exactly how I managed to post this two times and I don't know how to take one of them down.

I hope the Courier will correct my mistake.

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:33 AM

Fellow bloggers I am not advocating that we should vote for the Libertarian on election day. That would play into the hands of the two party lock.

At this point one should vote for the lesser of the two evils on the ballot, based on your individual perspective.

In my case I will proudly cast my vote for Governor Romney.

Iknowyou commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:50 AM

All you have to do log log in and click on Edit Blog and look for the check box to Delete Blog.

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 07:58 AM

Iknowyou thanks.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:23 AM

"These blogs on this site have become little more than childish exchanges of Democrat versus Republican attempts to get the best of each other."

TOT: Unfortunately, you have accurately described the state of the world, have you not? In fact - the upcoming elections are nothing more than "exchanges of Democrat versus Republican attempts to get the best of each other," aren't they?

Also unfortunately, the days of the first George Dubya are long gone. Heck, I'd settle for a return to the seeming honesty, community awareness, and sense of personal and civic responsiblity I recall from the 1950s. But alas - I think one of the old quotes is that "those who live in the past limit their future." (As a lifelong Chicago Cubs fan, I can personally relate to this philosophy.)

All we can do now is try to deal with the situation as best we can. In the case of the upcoming Presidential election, I believe the best deal for the American people is to vote for the newest version of hope and change; then keep cross your fingers. I know - a lot of people did that last time and look what we have now.

As far as the mess in Washington: it doesn't have to be as bad as it is. Not too long ago (think Bill Clinton and the latest George Dubya right after 9/11), Washington appeared to be basically getting the job done. But in the past 10 years our government has come to reflect our current, "childish" "road rage" society (as reflected in the online media.)

If we want a better world, we have to craft it. It won't happen by itself.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 09:24 AM

(...lose the "keep"...)

up2sumptin commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM

I may be dense TOT but how are ou going to get other voices heard if you don't vote for them and let the PTB know we want to hear from more that two people regarding the issues?

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 15:10 PM

I'm probably a bit older than you and therefore I'm a little old fashioned.

I'm not certain just what PTB stands for.

If it means powers that be then my answer to your question up2 is this.

We need to be able to vote for them in any primary election if they have simply paid a qualifying fee to a regestered political party.

The only choice is Democrat or Republican.

You or I can qualify for any public office by going to the registrar's office and paying a fee.

But the fee is delivered to the Republican or the Democratic party.

The government foots the bill for holding the election.

The qualifying fee is paid to either of the too parties.

I'm not well educated but I see this as criminal.

timeontarget commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 15:39 PM

"If we want a better world,we have to craft. It it won't happen by itself."

sebekm that is my point.

We need to start here and spread the word.

That is the purpose of this blog.

On this issue I suspect that you and I are in total agreement.

I agree with everything expressed in your comments above.

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 16:13 PM

TOT: Yes - it's really an "uphill battle," because now the situation is worse than ever. In the last election, we were promised "change we could believe in" by a seemingly charismatic, highly-proficient orator who gave us an election campaign the likes of which this country had never seen in its history. While I was skeptical that he could deliver on everything he promised, I still held out hope that "the system" would work and that we would be better off in 2012 than we were back then.

Now I - along with much of the rest of the country - are left with the feeling expressed in that old Peggy Lee tune from 1969:

Is that all there is?

The air has been escaping from the 2008 hopey-changey balloon since about one year after the election. I think almost all of the remaining air was squeezed out during last Tuesday's debate.

But having said all that - I can't see either political party willingly giving up any of the power they currently have in and over the system. You saw what happened when the "Tea Party" tried to make an in-road to providing greater choice: they were attacked by BOTH sides (but moreso by the Dems). The Libertarians are treated as an afterthought. The only real "third party" effort I've seen in my lifetime which garnered any significant support is the 1992 Ross Perot candidacy. The result? While he had little chance of actually winning the election, he undoubtedly drew enough votes from Bush the Elder to put Bill Clinton in the White House. Both political parties remember that, and I believe they won't let any candidate with a real chance to win run as an outsider. And without the support and the money, there's little chance for victory.

One other thing as it relates to polls: Bush the Elder at one point had a 90% approval rating (shortly after Gulf War I), but he still lost the election to the saxaphone-playing Bill Clinton and "Two-for-One" Hillary, who offered their version of "hope for change," early 1990's-style.

No, TOT - I think we're stuck with the two-party system we have, at least for the remainder of our lifetimes. But having more choices is a nice thought, though.

HMJC commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 16:22 PM

We the People, in Order to form a more Perfect Union” Been a long time since that was said, and we see how perfect it has turned out. We the people, what does that really mean today? It seems we identify with “we this type of people” of “this type of people”. Not WE the people. TOT was right that most of us stand to the left or the right. We have our own opinions and core values we believe. That is not a bad thing however, the unwillingness to waver has added to the spike that is driven down the middle of our country. The travesty of all of this is that no matter who wins, the status quo is not going to shift too far from where it is right now. We the people have culpability in this; we have the ability to vote, to be part of the human condition, and just maybe care about something more than ourselves. With that said, we need a president that focuses on America. We need a president that puts America first. To be quite frank, I can’t honestly say if either one will do just that. Until the people unite and commit t restoring the pride in our country, it is going to be uphill.

Sheran commented on Wednesday, Oct 10, 2012 at 19:47 PM

tot. if you want to make a change? Here ya go. I would sign your petition.


timeontarget commented on Thursday, Oct 11, 2012 at 07:13 AM

Sheran, thank you and I would sign yours also but we should not have to petition to get on the ballot.

Any legally registered political party should be able to put a prospect on the ballot just as the Democratic and Republican party can.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Oct 11, 2012 at 07:18 AM

The Democrats and the Republicans refuse to work together for the common good of the nation.

But they worked together to craft this stranglehold on access to the ballot.

None of our members of congress deserve to be reelected.

timeontarget commented on Thursday, Oct 11, 2012 at 07:22 AM

sebekm you excel in research.

I'm not sure but I think qualifying fees are paid to the parties while the cost of holding the election is paid for by the government.

I may be wrong on this point and I hope I am.

Will you please check into this as I don't know how to do so?

Iknowyou commented on Thursday, Oct 11, 2012 at 07:37 AM

George Washington warned us in his farewell address of the danger of political parties. He called attention to the fact that if we became loyal to a particular party it would be at the cost of less loyalty to the Union itself.

The above statement has been proven to be true even on these blogs.

up2sumptin commented on Thursday, Oct 11, 2012 at 08:50 AM

I am not sure about the fees but I do know the county pays for each election and it is a princely sum of money.

timeontarget commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:00 AM

I'm not sure who the fees are paid to.

I do know that you do not have to pledge loyalty to the party under which you qualify.

However there are only two choices either Republican or Democrat.

Iknowyou this blog site is vivid proof that to some of us it is proudly proclaimed which party you support and we equate that to our favorite teams
in sports.

Nero fiddled while Rome burned down.

There is much fiddling going on in this country at all levels of government.

up2sumptin commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 09:51 AM

Here is the answer to the fee question. "Candidate fee is 3% office salary. 75% goes to the party. The remaining 25% goes to the county they qualified in."

timeontarget commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I wonder what expenses the parties incur in the holding of the election.

Which party pays for what?

timeontarget commented on Friday, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Also and this is very important.

In primary elections the voter should be able to vote his choice of a candidate for a particular office and mix his choices from any candidate of any party.

In other words you could vote for some Republicans as well as some Democrats.

And any other political party with proper registration with the Secretary of State.

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