Gone Baby Gone...
by HMJC
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As my wife and I sat in a local eating establishment we had the "pleasure" of observing 4 young womon removing any doubt of thier sexual orientation. They were also "kind" enough to verbally identify themslves as Soldiers. The mannerisms and conversation were obnoxious with the obvious intent of exercising the repeal of "Don't Ask Don't Tell" for all in earshot. I retired from the Army in 06; my 21+ years of service saw many changes. Some good, some not so good. Any change in military law is defined as "for the good order and disipline of the ranks" In a nut shell, changes should be of the sort that does not promote adversity amoung the ranks and should not be focused on one demographic. I am not adverse to the gay lifestyle as long as it is not force fed and does not expect me to high five someone based on their sexual orieintation. I have no doubt I served with gay Soldiers however, our service and conversations were not dominated by sexual orientation. With that said, my personal opinion is that all Soldiers have a duty to project themselves in a "uniform" fashion that represents ALL Soldiers and our values and ethos. Sexual orientation is not on the list... I was brought up to conduct myself as an "example" on and off duty to demostrate the pride and purpose for all to see. Once again, I was not taught ensure I established my sexual preferance. Bottom Line, if you are gay, good on ya. However, if you are a Soldier, you have a duty to represent yourself as a example of ALL Soldiers, your own personal views and activities is superceded by this fact. Some will agree with me, some will not...I just feel that your personal life should be just that, personal


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sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:43 AM

This is what happens when being a soldier, sailor, airman or marine changes from a profession to just "a job." It's also what you get when you combine "diversity" with immaturity. To me, it's a prescription for disaster - and more trouble than it's worth.

IMHO - the net effect will be to drive many people who would make outstanding soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines from military service and retain those in your example above. Will we REALLY get a better military when we do this? I don't think so. Will this situation create far more problems than it solves? It sure looks that way to me.

But the bottom line is: Welcome to the 21st Century - I guess. I was on active duty when they made Army AIT and troop barracks "co-educational." Time has told that the Army has "learned to live with it." I'm sure that our military will adapt to these new "challenges" as well, but I don't believe we will end up with a better military "product." I believe that it is this concern that prompted the military leadership to oppose the repeal of DADT in the first place.

When I first entered active military service, I used to hear "old soldiers" who were close to retirement frequently proclaim that they were glad they were "getting the hell out" because the Army wasn't what it used to be. In this case, I'm glad I'm not on active duty today.

HMJC commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Thanks for youe insight, I fear many will not reply as they really do not know the impact of the "21st Century" Here is a linkk that further illistrates my concerns.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...

I loved being a Soldier, it will always be a part of my life. It just saddens me to see the decline of pride and honor that was such a part of my service.

golfnut31316 commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I will have to agree with you. I retired in 2004 and since that time I have seen a down grade in the professionalism of soldiers both in and out of uniform. It is mostly the younger enlisted crowd, although I have seen some SGT's and SSG's with conduct that I would unbecoming.

I don't not have a problem introducing myself to them and inform them that they are disrespecting the uniform, the country and all of us citizens around them.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Thanks for sharing that link, HMJC. For me, it further illustrates the way things go when a Democrat is in the White House - even though I think that President Obama has done his best "work" as Commander-in-Chief. But the constituency he has to serve - and pay/repay for his election/reelection - is anti-military and has been for nearly 50 years. When a Democratic administration makes the concessions they HAVE to make, it just drives the morale, professionalism, and esprit-de-corps of our armed services down the tubes.

Just another reason that we need some CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN come November.

HMJC commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 15:08 PM

Seb, as usual is 100% right. The military always suffers under a democratic administration. If this cat gets 4 more years, it is going to be a free for all. The reality is that the receipents of all of the social programs are going to vote in order to maintain thier current staus quo. If we dont start having our own picnic/voting events, he will get reelected. I dont know fellas, it looks kind of bleak...Thanks to all that have served and truly understand my concerns...

Funkentelecky commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 15:13 PM

2016 Obama'a America
LOVE HIM, HATE HIM
YOU DON'T KNOW HIM!

Go see it. We have a country to save!

timeontarget commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 18:33 PM

Guys believe it or not I am with you on this issue.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 24, 2012 at 19:05 PM

TOT: I believe it. And Funky - the film has opened "in first place at the domestic box office," based "on big pre-sales leading into the Republican National Convention August 27-30, and exhibitors are reporting busloads of filmgoers arriving at theaters around the country."

"The picture is based on Dinesh D’Souza’s New York Times bestselling 2010 book "The Roots Of Obama’s Rage." D’Souza says he made the film to motivate moviegoers to question what an Obama second term would look like, and credits liberal documentary maker Michael Moore for the structure of the film: “When he released Fahrenheit 9/11 in 2004 ahead of the election, it sparked intense debate. I learned some lessons from Michael Moore, and hopefully he might learn some lessons from me about handling facts.”"

HA! HA! So Michael Moore - in a way - actually "inspired" this film. Perhaps the worm truly has turned.

See: http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/first...

gacpl commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:05 AM

the standard in order to get in the military have dropped so low, a lot of the military today would be living in the ghetto if the military did let them in. and they have been letting convicted felons join too, then they act surprised when they act like criminals. i didn't have the highest GT score when i joined in 1988 (110), but i recently seen a recruiting poster at the darian outlet mall stating the required score is only 31, 31 is borderline retarded.

up2sumptin commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:25 AM

The 31 is to get into the infantry. The score flexes depending on the need. Basicly, you're just cannon fodder and not put into any skilled positions.

JimmyMack commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Funk: I am going to do my best to try and see the movie.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 13:30 PM

Nowadays I only watch movies which contain "actors" who I'm familiar with and like. I realize that this attitude limits my potential film "enjoyment" and the "broadening" of my intellectual horizons; however - after literally HUNDREDS of disappointments - I'm now very particular about how I set myself up for aggravation, and how I waste my time. In the case of this movie, I don't really care for its "star."

But after reading numerous reviews of the movie - from all sides of the political spectrum - I offer this apparently even-handed assessment by Doug Gibson of the Standard-Examiner - a writer with whom I am familiar and whose opinion I believe is usually on point.

See: http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/...

Gibson contends that the movie "is well-produced, effective political propaganda for the faithful" and that "(i)t appears to be doing the job the filmmakers sought, energizing opponents of Obama’s re-election as the vote draws nearer."

Since I don't consider myself one of the "faithful," but don't really NEED any "energizing" as November approaches, I believe I'll pass on this one.

lholmes commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 18:07 PM

last movie I saw in the theatre was the first Iron Man.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 19:54 PM

The last one I saw in the theater was "Forrest Gump" in 1994.

JimmyMack commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:13 AM

"is well produced, effective propaganda for the faithful"

Man Sebe, you really are an Independent. Just when I start to think you are leaning right...you come back to the middle ground.

golfnut31316 commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 13:00 PM

up2sumptin commented on Saturday, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:25 AM

The 31 is to get into the infantry. The score flexes depending on the need. Basicly, you're just cannon fodder and not put into any skilled positions.

I know many in the Infantry of TODAY'S Army, including my son. You may want to visit a few "Light Infantry" units and you may rethink the "Skilled positions.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 13:10 PM

Thanks for being fair, Jimmy, but on the other hand - I'm not sure how somebody who has only voted for one Democrat in his life (Zig Zag Zell, of course) can be considered "an Independent."

But you may be right - according to polling results I saw on TV this morning. Apparently, more than 40% of the U.S. population identifies itself as "independent," with slightly more than 30% professing to be "Democrats" and slightly under 30% professing to be "Republicans."

And the prevalent feeling reported in the polls was that most people pretty much "despise" (in one way or another) almost all polticians. I guess I am in that group.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 13:29 PM

Golfy: Yes - it is a mistake to generalize or stereotype. The "cannon fodder" of the 1970s used to be called "Cat. IVs," and we had plenty of 'em in our "skilled" legal administration AIT.

One of my favorite movies is "No Time For Sergeants" (1958), starring the recent dearly departed Andy Griffith and Nick Adams as his "infantry-obsessed" sidekick, Private Benjamin B. Whitledge. For those who haven't seen it, the movie is a comedy, but one truism (for me) that comes out in the movie is contained in a line spoken by Nick Adams' character:

"Everybody knows the infantry does all the real fighting. The rest are just helpers."

For all the talk about the value of the various armed services; and of combat support, combat service support, etc., the true fact that stands the test of time is that without the INFANTRY, no war could have ever been won. For the most part, it has been members of the INFANTRY who have shed their blood and given their lives for their country. We ower our independence as a nation and the very freedoms we hold dear - in a very real sense - to those outstanding soldiers who have served and continue to serve in the INFANTRY.

So "cannon fodder" - regardless of their graded intellectual capacity - they are NOT.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 13:30 PM

....We owe our idependence, that is...

sebekm commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 13:31 PM

(sheesh....need new glasses to spell "independence" right...)

up2sumptin commented on Sunday, Aug 26, 2012 at 16:16 PM

Golfnut, I know there are skilled and intelligent eleven bang bangs. I was speaking of a certain segment of that population and not the entire mos.

timeontarget commented on Monday, Aug 27, 2012 at 07:11 AM

Back to the core issue of this particular blog.

Homosexuality is an abomination.

Our tolerance of it should not be answered with ever increasing display of unnatural behaviour in public.

As was said earlier private life should remain just that private.

HMJC commented on Monday, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:25 AM

I am glad to see that even though our opinions differ most times,we can see our way clear and focus on what is really occuring, not what could occur.

gacpl commented on Monday, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM

on the lighter side

"When I joined the military it was illegal to be homosexual, then
it became optional. I'm getting out before Obama makes it
mandatory."

-GySgt Harry Berres, USMC

JimmyMack commented on Monday, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:46 PM

LOL GACPL. Just wait til they allow our military folks to dye their blue or PINK!

sebekm commented on Monday, Aug 27, 2012 at 16:09 PM

..on the even LIGHTER side - first there were "hippies." Then there were "occupiers." Then there were the "DO Ask - DO Tell" females cited in the basic blog post. Now comes the "Code Pink" demonstrators at the Republican National Convention asking people to "Read (Their) Lips..."

See: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news...

But based upon the latest DEM "war on women" planned for the Democratic National Convention, perhaps Code Pink should take their protest to Charlotte, NC next week:

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/08...

JimmyMack commented on Tuesday, Aug 28, 2012 at 16:27 PM

Dye their HAIR pink or blue...Hair!!!!

sebekm commented on Tuesday, Aug 28, 2012 at 18:00 PM

"She asks me why
I'm just a hairy guy
I'm hairy noon and night
Hair that's a fright
I'm hairy high and low
Don't ask me why
Don't know
It's not for lack of bread
Like the Grateful Dead
Darling

Gimme head with hair
Long beautiful hair
Shining, gleaming,
Streaming, flaxen, waxen

Give me down to there hair
Shoulder length or longer
Here baby, there mama
Everywhere daddy daddy

Hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair
Flow it, show it
Long as God can grow it
My hair

Let it fly in the breeze
And get caught in the trees
Give a home to the fleas in my hair
A home for fleas
A hive for bees
A nest for birds
There ain't no words
For the beauty, the splendor, the wonder
Of my...

Hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair
Flow it, show it
Long as God can grow it
My hair

I want it long, straight, curly, fuzzy
Snaggy, shaggy, ratty, matty
Oily, greasy, fleecy
Shining, gleaming, streaming
Flaxen, waxen
Knotted, polka-dotted
Twisted, beaded, braided
Powdered, flowered, and confettied
Bangled, tangled, spangled, and spaghettied!

Oh say can you see
My eyes if you can
Then my hair's too short

Down to here
Down to there
Down to where
It stops by itself

They'll be ga ga at the go go
When they see me in my toga
My toga made of blond
Brilliantined
Biblical hair

My hair like Jesus wore it
Hallelujah I adore it
Hallelujah Mary loved her son
Why don't my mother love me?

Hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair
Flow it, show it
Long as God can grow it
My hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair, hair
Flow it, show it
Long as God can grow it
My hair"

sebekm commented on Wednesday, Aug 29, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I've publicly given the President much credit for his service as Commander-in-Chief over the past four years, but here's an article which just hit the 'net that also confirms my characterization of the attitude of the military toward Mr. Obama. The operative portions read:

"Several news outlets have finally got their hands on a copy of the new book about the raid on Osama bin Laden's Pakistan compound, and the details emerging contradict many of the earlier reports about what happened inside the house on the night the al Qaeda leader was killed."

"The book, written by ex-Navy SEAL Matt Bissonnette (under the pseudonym Mark Owen), is a first-person account of the raid on the Abbottabad compound where bin Laden had been in hiding for years."

and

"Bissonnette is....critical of President Obama in his story, saying that no one on the team was a fan of the president and that they believed he and other leaders would inflate their own roles in the story. Even before the raid began, the SEALs joked about how they would help Obama get re-elected and also speculated about who would play them in the Hollywood movie. Despite their personal feelings about Obama, however, the SEALs did agree that he made the right call, saying "Although we applauded the decision-making in this case, there was no doubt in anybody’s mind that he would take all the political credit for this too.”

They also complained that after a White House meeting with Obama and Vice President Joe Biden ("he reminded me of someone’s drunken uncle at Christmas dinner") the President invited them to return some other time for a beer, but that call never came."

See: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global...

JimmyMack commented on Friday, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Bissonnette has violated at least TWO confidentiality statements in his book and more than likely, if the book does make it to print next week, he is going to go to prison for his breach of SEAL security and covert Government operations.

Fact tho: BHO DID authorize the trigger being pulled and had the guts to make the call.

sebekm commented on Friday, Aug 31, 2012 at 13:08 PM

I agree. But if they put Bissonnette in jail, they need to put all of the Obama administration "leakers" who peddled classified info on the operation to the press in the cell with him. From what I've read, it seems more to me like he's motivated more by wanting to "set the record straight" than by a desire to make money or curry favor/influence.


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