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New Liberty County School procedure:

Another major change affects parents’ classroom observations. Parents or guardians may observe classrooms in which their child is present, but they must get approval from a school administrator more than 24 hours in advance. The administrator will arrange a date and time and arrange for a school employee to escort the observer for the duration of the visit. Observations are limited to 20 minutes and may be requested only one time per semester unless federal regulations require different procedures. Observers are not allowed to use cell phones.

Please help me to understand this liberty county? Please help me to understand the reason behind this strict no parent or guardian able to check on their children, visit and check on tax dollar paid workers and be at tax dollar maintained public building. This is not good. This is more of a hint of total control. This seems in more of a communist and social type government, not like our American government. Sounds like twilight zone, your child goes in (birds chirping ....hhmmmm ) your child comes out. No oversight, no surprise visits (for what ever reason), no nothing. So if your child tells you something in confidence and you, as a responsible parent want to check out things for self, (examples: behavior, teacher, environment or what ever) you have to limit your time check out to 20 minutes and one time per semester. This is like one pitch softball, no matter what, better work all out on that one pitch given to you. Come on BOE, come on represent the people, this hurts the partnership of parents and school to educate a student. I already know some of the respones, if you do not like this take your child to private school, but this is not the point, we all pay for this and it is called a public school. Help me to understand. The President of the Liberty County NAACP is not in support of this strict restriction on parents and guardians. We would like to advocate for at least 3 - 6, 20 minute sessions, per semester.


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sebekm commented on Friday, May 25, 2012 at 20:39 PM

1. If you are "The President of the Liberty County NAACP," why do you blog here essentially anonymously - or are we really supposed to believe that you are actually 103 years old?

2. "The President of the Liberty County NAACP" would realize that they are VERY UNLIKELY to get an official reply from any school official on this blog site, and would pose any questions directly to the Superintendent of Liberty County Schools or other school official. You can contact them here:

http://www.liberty.k12.ga.us/

but if I was the one interested in getting my questions answered, I'd ask them IN PERSON.

3. The rules that the Liberty County School District has announced for classroom visitation do not appear to be out-of-line with how it's done elsewhere in Georgia and around the country. For example, the Cobb County School District seems to have rules for parental classroom visitation that are even more restrictive than those announced by Liberty County. To see Cobb County's rules, go here:

http://www.cobbk12.org/centraloffice/...

LibertyCountyNAACP commented on Friday, May 25, 2012 at 20:58 PM

Thanks Sebekm, will look at link. Thanks for the direction. We attempted to add input. I would of like to see at least 3 to 5, 20 minute session, this is our real point of dissent. More than just one 20 minute session. Thanks for the lead, as for the others advice, work in progress, we were bracing for this change. We are trying to use more mediums to get out our points.

LibertyCountyNAACP commented on Friday, May 25, 2012 at 21:14 PM

Cobb County:
RULE:
A. LIMITATIONS ON WHO MAY VISIT:
To ensure the safety and confidentiality of students, the District limits visitors to:
1. The parents/guardians of current students;
2. Other family members of current students who are approved by the student’s
parent/guardian;
3. Those persons invited by the District for official business; and
4. Outside service providers who currently provide private educational or therapy
services to a student.
B. PROCEDURES:
1. All Visitors:
Upon request, the Principal or designee may, at his/her discretion, grant permission
for visits by the parents/guardians of current students, other family members of
current students who are approved by the student’s parent/guardian, and those
persons invited by the District for official business. To minimize disruption to the
instructional program, visits to classrooms or programs or requests to meet with
specific personnel must comply with the following guidelines:
a. All visitors must sign-in at the school office and obtain written permission to visit
any part of the school;
b. Visits generally require notice at least 24 hours in advance;
c. Parents/guardians may observe for up to one hour during a classroom visitation,
however, individuals who are invited by the District for official business may be
granted extended time periods as necessary to perform their functions at the
discretion of the District;
d. Classroom visitations are not a time for parent-teacher conferences and
parents/guardians should not expect teachers to conference with them at these
times;
e. The regular school program must continue during such visits so parents/guardians
must refrain from engaging the attention of the teacher or students through
conversation or other means.

LibertyCountyNAACP commented on Saturday, May 26, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Dwight Newbould, 43, recently was elected president of the Liberty County Branch of the NAACP for the 2011-12 term. He was born in Miami, Fla., raised in Maryland and has been a resident of Liberty County for 12 years. Newbould works as the re-entry affairs coordinator for the Federal Correctional Institution in Estill, S.C. He is a husband and a father.
“During my tenure, I would like to be known as the approachable president, ready to discuss and address any issues with, and on behalf of, any resident of Liberty County,” Newbould said. “My administration will push to make sure as many residents are well-informed and registered to vote. Our goal is to have a youth council established by July 2011. We want the youth in our community to have input in and practice of community involvement and awareness.”
Newbould, who previously was the organization’s vice president, said he’s ready to implement his plan to improve the community and empowerment Liberty County residents.
“As the president of the NAACP, I want my leadership to be known for educating and uniting the residents of Liberty County. I will always gather the facts, be truthful to members and the community, and always utilize effective actions to bring about positive advancement,” he said. “As the leader of the NAACP, I will partnership and communicate with as many organizations and entities of the government that it takes to make Liberty County the most desirable, safest and balanced county a resident would want to live.”

Thinker commented on Saturday, May 26, 2012 at 19:31 PM

Wow, an adjustment to more 20 minutes session per semester is a reasonable request. Hope the BOE undertakes the request.

lholmes commented on Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 10:35 AM

This is some bull---!

Thinker commented on Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I hear you holmes, just so disconnecting between parents who want and just aids parents who don't. This is very not well explained and sold to the citizens. There might be a good reason, but it comes before the solution, and this makes the solution just plain, not.

sebekm commented on Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Aside from this part, they seem to be aligning their rules to everybody else's:

"Observations are limited to 20 minutes and may be requested only one time per semester unless federal regulations require different procedures."

Other school districts around the country appear to limit observations to one hour, with no restriction on the number of visits per semester. I'm not sure why the Liberty County school system thinks it needs these added restrictions, but they should explain.

Thinker commented on Sunday, May 27, 2012 at 15:43 PM

I agree, sebekm, Press and Release on this was terrible. Could it also be that BOE had only one election race, this shows the comfort of the BOE leadership in power. The message seems to show, " do as I say citizens and students, for I am almighty and knowing on behalf of all" Another answer may be the BOE just did not think it out. This hurts many parents. We do not know, except this equates to for every one report card a parent can only visit for 20 minutes at the school. This is not enough, if a parent needs or want more. That equals 80 minutes for the total 180 days in a school year.

lholmes commented on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 09:09 AM

My elementary/middle school years were in the 1970's and early 1980's. My father had a habit of just popping up either mine or my brother's school whenever he had a day off or was simply on a lunch break. Kept us on our toes. When I got married and had my own kids, I continued this "tradition". The teachers loved it and asked me to do it as often as possible. A lot of them said that their classes were better behaved for weeks afterward. My daughter starts college this fall and my son is now a senior in high-school. I am glad I won't need to be involved with the school system anymore. With these rules, I would probably be arrested. What happens to a parent that just shows up? Is the school prepared to deny access? If a parent won't leave until he/she sees their child, will the school say no or call the authorities? I see trouble and lawsuits coming.

lholmes commented on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 09:14 AM

"The President of the Liberty County NAACP is not in support of this strict restriction on parents and guardians. We would like to advocate for at least 3 - 6, 20 minute sessions, per semester."

Dang the compromise on this. The whole rule needs to be thrown out. I would pop up and just sit in the classroom...for more than 20 minutes, quietly in a corner. Heck, if I wanted to show up 3 times a week, they had better say "Welcome" and open the dang door.

sebekm commented on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 10:41 AM

I, too, had a tradition of just "popping up" at school, primarily to keep an eye on my youngest. This was back in the 1980s - before the security issues that seem to plague schools today were so prevalent. I was usually in an Army uniform and went straight to the "main desk" to let them know I was around. They never had a problem with my being there as I recall.

As to "What happens to a parent that just shows up? Is the school prepared to deny access?" In such a "worse case," here's how the Cobb County School System handles it. (I don't know whether Liberty County has a similar rule):

"C. UNAUTHORIZED PERSONS ON CAMPUS:

A student or employee may not have an unauthorized visitor. When an unauthorized person enters District property:

1. School personnel shall warn persons trespassing to leave facilities or properties. Persons who refuse are subject to criminal prosecution under the laws of the State of Georgia.

2. The presence or visitation of unauthorized persons in and about District facilities or properties may constitute trespassing and may subject violators to criminal prosecution under the laws of the State of Georgia.

D. DISRUPTION: In accordance with state law, O.C.G.A. § 20-2-1181, it shall be unlawful for any person to disrupt or interfere in the operations of any school within the District. Any person violating this provision shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of a high and aggravated nature."

See: http://www.cobbk12.org/centraloffice/...

lholmes commented on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Unauthorized in what way? Do they mean unauthrorized as in not on a parental approval list or as in not authorized via the 24 hour advanced notice?

sebekm commented on Monday, May 28, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Perhaps both. I think "authorized" means only with prior notice/approval. Anything else means you are an interloper and subject to "trespass" and "disruption" provisions.

I really don't blame them for having such strict rules on this. If somebody wandered into the school and started shooting the kids, I'm sure parents would be outraged and demand the firing of those people who didn't have better security in place. I see it as them just trying to make sure they know who is wandering around their area of responsibility. As to the limits on time and frequency, I suspect they have a good reason for that, too - one based on past experience with parental visitation.

But they should probably do more to explain why. A news article in the Courier would probably answer the mail.

sebekm commented on Saturday, Jun 02, 2012 at 15:39 PM

....and speaking of news articles in the Courier, here's one which explains WHY they have a need for enhanced security. See:

http://beta.coastalcourier.com/sectio...

For those without a subscription; here it is:

"Fight, arrest spurs school lockdown

Lewis Levine
Coastal Courier correspondent

POSTED: May 29, 2012 7:01 p.m.

Liberty Elementary School in Midway was locked down and a ceremony put on hold last Wednesday when a man wanted for warrants was arrested inside the school.

According to a report filed by Liberty County Deputy Sheriff Gary Richardson, he was waiting in an office at the school for the ceremony when Antwane Quarterman walked in. The deputy is on assignment with the U.S. Marshal’s fugitive task force and recognized Quarterman as a fugitive who has been sought for several months for a probation violation and two counts of financial transaction-card fraud.

According to the report, when Quarterman spotted Richardson, he began to make his way out of the office. Richardson approached Quarterman, told him he was under arrest and that he needed to step into an empty conference room. Quarterman continued to try to leave. Richardson grabbed him by the arm. Quarterman tried to push the officer away. Richardson then grabbed Quarterman, wrapping both arms around him and telling him he was under arrest and needed to comply. The report says Quarterman continued to resist and became more physical.

During the struggle, both men lost their balance, giving Quarterman an opportunity to flee. He ran down a hall. Richardson chased him and tackled Quarterman at the end of the hall, sending both men into a wall and damaging the sheetrock. Quarterman’s head, knee and elbow hit the wall.

Quarterman continued to struggle until Michael Robinson and Leonard Schlaugh came to get Quarterman into an empty room until he calmed down. Quarterman complained of having an asthma attack and chest pains. He was checked by the school nurse who determined he didn’t need immediate medical attention.

The school was placed on lock down and the ceremony was delayed. Quarterman was turned over to Midway Police Officer Mark Rich and taken to the Liberty County Jail, where charges of obstruction of a law enforcement officer, interference with government property and disrupting school activities were added to his warrants."

LibertyCountyNAACP commented on Sunday, Jun 03, 2012 at 11:38 AM

This was an incident !!!! So are we to assume the BOE will run background checks with the fugitive list in conjunction with giving approval? Will they also check for back child support, residency status, DNA child ID, and etc... as part of the approval process? This incident could of happen any where, just the parties were in the place at the same time. This event would of been excluded from the policy, it was open to all attending. This incident may add a percentage of support, but very minimal. If the policy was in effect on this day, it would of not stopped this incident from occurring, it was an open invite. So, really this is of little support. The BOE will be coming out with more explanation on the policy to truly explain, if was not intended to deter parents, just gives them control to limit based on documented history of disrupted incidents. Most parents request will be honored and limits may not be strictly enforced, but if have to , they will be within policy. We will await more clarity, talks and partnership has begun, to better educate the young persons of liberty county.

toosie8969 commented on Sunday, Jun 03, 2012 at 11:59 AM

it disrupts the entire teaching environment when a parent enters the classroom. parents can get involved in so many different ways. most teachers will respond to emails and phone messages. if not, that is a complaint that needs to be addressed to the principal. i am also a tax payer and i have 3 children in the public school system.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Jun 03, 2012 at 13:32 PM

"If the policy was in effect on this day, it would of not stopped this incident from occurring, it was an open invite. So, really this is of little support."

The reason I posted this "incident" was to show that all kinds of people can and will wander the halls of our schools, and it is the responsibility of the SCHOOL to provide adequate security measures - to include advance notification/approval if THEY feel it is necessary - to stay on top of the situation.

In this case, coincidentally there was an LCSO Deputy on hand who recognized the fugitive. But if there hadn't been - presuming there were an advance notification/approval system in place - the teachers/school security would hvae been on the alert to expect authorized visitors and should have noticed an UNAUTHORIZED one.

Unless one is a school official who is charged with ensuring campus security, one probably has no idea of all the issues they have to be sensitive to. In cases like these, I am very comfortable in relying on the school authorities to determine what security measures are necessary.

As I pointed out above - except for the time and frequency limits (which may be similar elsewhere - y'all can research that if you really want to know) - the measures Liberty County has in place appear to be consistent with other school systems throughout the country.

If you think that the time/frequency limits are too stringent, you should take it up directly with school system authorities - if you actually expect to get any results. Regurgitating the issue here only facilitates VENTING. Nothing really gets done.

sebekm commented on Sunday, Jun 03, 2012 at 13:34 PM

...would have been on the alert, that is...

Thinker commented on Sunday, Jun 03, 2012 at 13:49 PM

Good points Sebekm, good points, just have to work out that time/frequency limit wording.


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