I wonder if he is just hiding from the "vigilantes" and "bounty hunters," or whether he's in full flight, as this article suggests:
They must not have a current picture of Trayvon Martin. Sure makes a difference to the public when you show an innocent picture of a 10 year old verses a picture of a 17 year old that is not the model citizen the media is trying to convince everyone of.
That's a different blog IKY. I will risk everything and ask this. Is he being charged because the evidence warrants it or is he being charged because of pressure from the public?
Looks as if the DA's office may have caved in to political pressure, special prosecutor or not.
Making charges stick may be impossible but it'll be the intention to financially ruin Zimmerman even if there is no grounds to charge him.
This has been a long standing policy of "The State" to use this tactic when they can't make a real case.
If this is being done just to appease the masses, the special prosecutor should be fired and brought up on charges herself. Not saying innocent or guilty, but if she is doing this just to avoid a riot, it is a travesty.
Looks like we'll find out something at 6 p.m. tonight, when the special prosecutor is supposed to release "new information." See:
His ex-legal team gave a couple of hints yesterday on Zimmerman's whereabouts:
Hal Uhrig: "You can stop looking in Florida" and "Look much farther away than that."
Craig Sonner: "He's in the United States."
" I guess this was a bad time for his defense team to dump him."
The details of the "dumping" are outlined here:
...especially this part:
"Zimmerman is unable to see a psychologist because he could be spotted, the attorneys said. A bounty for his arrest has been issued by the New Black Panther Party. Plus, he is anxious about possible charges if the special prosecutor believes he committed a crime, his former attorneys said.
Zimmerman also has been in touch with conservative talk show host Sean Hannity, who declined to reveal Tuesday evening what was said.
Uhrig said after they found out that news, the "final straw" came when they learned Zimmerman contacted (special prosecutor) Corey's office and said he wanted to meet. Uhrig said he told her he no longer had attorneys whom he called "legal advisers" representing him.
Uhrig said they were "a bit astonished" that he had contacted her on his own and that Corey and her team refused to talk to a potential defendant or suspect without counsel."
Sounds like Zimmerman is in full panic mode, and doesn't trust anybody. This is further reinforced by his action to contact the special prosecutor's office directly. He obviously doesn't trust the attorneys (who have never met with him personally), and is worried about the $10,000.00 "bounty" and the vigilante force the New Black Panther Party has whipped up. His photo is plastered all over the internet, and has been on every major publication in the U.S.. So it appears that he may be taking that "Wanted: Dead or Alive" vigilante call very seriously.
I sure hope he's guilty, because it would be a real travesty to put somebody through all of this if Zimmerman's version of the facts is the true one.
...but on the other hand, the safest place for Zimmerman - regardless of his guilt or innocence - might be in police custody under charges. The special prosecutor might want to bring a case against him just to get him in protective custody and let the situation simmer down a bit. The worst place for Zimmerman right now is on the streets where he could be identified and subjected to "mob justice."
But regardless of which version of the story is true, I still question the necessity and the wisdom of having an untrained, private citizen as a gated-community "neighborhood watch coordinator" patrolling the streets with weapon in a quasi-law enforcement capacity. Here's a good discussion of the issue:
It's second degree murder sports fans...
Good. At least he's (been) off the streets (voluntarily). Hopefully it will serve to defuse the inflammatory rhetoric and the "vigilante justice." Let the court settle the matter. Greta Van Susteren pointed out after the news conference that murder 2/manslaughter has no mandatory MINIMUM sentence upon conviction in FL.
So yes - absolutely - stay tuned, "sports fans"...
....and here is a later photo of Trayvon Martin - one which doesn't portray him as a 13 year-old kid:
Here's the article that discusses which photos the media chooses NOT to use:
Well He is charged. Charged with murder in the 2nd degree. He is presently in custody in the State Of Florida at an undisclosed location. There is a very long way to go on this due to the Stand your ground law. He (Georgia Zimmerman) could very well be released and charges dismissed by the presiding judge. Because of the nature of this case, the United States Department Of Justice has now formally started an Investigation into this case.
Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's lawyer states his client will plead not guilty and the killing was self defense.
Never Say Never up2sumptin. This case for the defense I believe will be fought on self defense. They made the arrest, but a judge can release him, and dismiss all charges pursuant to the Stand your Ground Law. Not saying that this will happen, but it could... I certainly hope that this case will be bound over for trial in front of a jury of his peers. What ever the verdict is, we all will have to live with it.
What I meant was he has already been tried and convicted by public opinion. No matter what the findings of the court are, he still loses.
Murr, strangely enough, I do agree with you in regards to martian not having his life back. However, it is important to see if the real facts of the incident come to light. It has been so distorted as a race issue that the "normal" flow of an investigation has been impeded. zimmerman is screwed either way now. No matter what the final outcome, it is going to be contenious. I am surprised no one but seb talked about the point of why he had a gun to begin with. Dont get me wrong, I also have my permit and at times carry. However, I also have over 20 years of the concept of using like force with like force. My personal opinion when you choose to carry is that you have even more of a responsibility to ensure deadly force is the absolute last option. It is a quandry either way you look at it because, either you support the second amendment or are fiercly against it. The sad truth about all of this is, until we quit making every situation a white of black thing, we will never move forward.
Murr, no one is lamenting that Zimmerman's life is ruined. What is in question now is can justice really be served because of all the media frenzy? I am NOT advocating anyone get away with anything. Also you seem to be skating over pertinent facts, while highlighting only the facts which would support your POV in this matter. The reason Zimmerman's legal defense dropped him had to do with several factors including his talking to law enforcement after being told not to. It had nothing to do with perceived innocence or guilt. They went on record as saying they felt he was innocent (whether or not he is will be for the courts to decide.) MY Question has more to do with AFTER the court has made a decision.
It's disturbing that, according to media reports, Zimmerman has had a history of "overreacting" and that even when the police intervened, they did nothing. In one case, he followed a driver in a road rage incident that led to him being arrested for resisting arrest with violence against a police officer -- a charge that was inexplicably dropped.
He has also been the subject of a restraining order from a previous girlfriend who claimed he repeatedly hit her, and was let go from a security company for being "over zealous" in policing bad behavior at house parties.
Neighbors have come forward to say they complained that Zimmerman followed them home or questioned them or their visitors, and had even complained to local police authorities about him.
Now, he's driving home from either work or his course at a community college -- places where he apparently took an armed weapon with him on his person -- and follows someone he considers "suspicious" on a dark rainy night into a shadowy side yard. I'm sorry, but at the point he decided to follow him, I think he gave up his "self defense" argument.
Even with a confession of guilt Murr, they would be barred from saying anything. In fact they didn't have to say anything at all regarding his innocence, which is why I noted that they did make reference to it. What happens Murr if the evidence PROVES (not just clouds the issue) that theing went down the way Zimmerman says. Do you think people will be ok with that?
Check out these two "opinions":
I was reading some of the comments on the Mike Tyson interview and some are really funny.
Copy & pasted
When you go to Mike Tyson for opinion. You hit bottom.
Next up: Tyson's advice on dental care!
Mike has a way of making everyone feel a little smarter!
What's dumber: 1. Asking Mike Tyson what he had to say. 2. The person who wrote this article. 3. Yahoo for posting the article??????
Oh, well, Thank God I know where Mike Tyson stands on this issue. Just waiting on Madonna, Bruce Springsteen and Kayne West now, then I can really make an informed decision.
Yes - Tyson's opinion on ANYTHING usually causes one to go "hmmmmm...." I thought it was particularly interesting to post it along with Martin's MOTHER saying that she thought the shooting was just "an accident."
It just goes to show you what the media REALLY wants - and where their heads are at (think the "nether regions"). I had to dig for Mrs. Martin's "accident" statement - but the New Black Panther's "bounty" and "call to vigilante action" was plastered all over the media.
Another good comment from the Mike Tyson article.
Tim • Mililani Town, Hawaii
I'm a black man and Mike don't speak for us civilized black folks! His comment is insane and just what we don't need. George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty! This is not a race case although the media and these fake black leaders has blown it up to be just that/an issue of race! This is a case of one persons poor judgement of another. I just wish Zimmerman had just kept on driving home and the poor fella would not be going through all of this.We still don't know what happend after Zimmerman was told to stand down! In the 911 tape he was told not to follow and he is heard saying OK! Then there's some sort of altercation and we here someone screaming for help and gunfire! Did Tryavon confront Zimmerman after he had already retreated like he was told and a fight broke out leading Zimmerman to think that his life is now in jeapordy? If i'm a juror on this case/ this would be one of my main questions in many! Or Did Zimmerman continue pursuing this kid and a fight erupted between the two and the victim was defending himself and got the upperhand on him and was shot dead in cold blood? Trayvon's girlfriend was on the phone during those moments/ but if you listen to what she said/ She said that Trayvon asked Zimmerman why was he following him and that she heard Zimmerman ask What are you doing around here! She said Trayvon was pushed and that his phone fell and that's when the call ended! Now how can she tell what really happend and she's behind a phone and not there at all? In the 911 call we can hear Zimmerman say that Trayvon was approaching him! This is all just speculation but I do feel as though something went terribly wrong and a kid was shot dead as a result! Goerge Zimmerman in my own opinion was not a Racist! He was a person in his community fed up with the break-ins and he was the Neighborhood watch captain doing what he thought was right! He just got in over his head and killed a child that he thought was a danger to his life according to his staements! LET JUSTICE DECIDE AND NOT THE MEDIA OR PUBLIC OPINION!
So true. I just wonder how bad things are in a gated community that there's a necessity for an armed neighborhood watcher to be patrolling the streets. I guess it's not against the law to be walking around with a weapon if you have complied with the legal requirements. But from the accounts I've read, IMHO Zimmerman brought the whole thing on himself by trying to do LE's job. The situation obviously got out of hand; a young man is dead; and Zimmerman is in jail charged with murder 2.
In hindsight, Zimmerman should have just stayed off the streets and let the police do the job they're paid for.
I have sat back and watched the show. The marches, protests and the like by folks have always brought me to one conclusion. When EVERYBODY jumps on the bandwagon for something, I generally lean the other way. There have been too many cases where a race crime allegedly happens, the populace gets stirred up and then it turns out to not be true. Of course there are instances where it is...on all different races, but I cannot jump on the bandwagon with this. Flashes of Tawanna Brawley, the Jenna 6 and the Duke Lacross Team keep coming back to mind when I see Al Sharpton and a whole LOT of folks marching and holding up signs. Knowing young, teenaged guys like I do, some even in my own family, I cannot say with all certainty that TM didn't assault GZ first. Its true that GZ ignored police advice to not follow TM, however, if you had 8 homes in your neighborhood broken into within a 15 month span, all by people that fit TM's description, I may have followed him too. Up until the confrontation, he did nothing illegal. It isn't illegal to follow someone, annoying, yes, illegal, no. If that were the case, all the reporters and paparazi would be in jail. GZ said he was jumped and that they fought for the gun. Maybe...maybe not. It all could have been prevented and I feel for the families on both sides.
Zimmerman get shis bond hearing next week, 4/20/12, and will most likely enter a not guilty plea at his hearing on 5/29/12. Legal experts are speculating that the case will not go to trial as it will be thrown out before then.
If that happens, it will be seen as Zimmerman getting off on a technicality and "justice" being cheated. In that event and regardless of the legalities, I predict it will not be accepted by the "vigilante mob" that is now chomping at the bit, and that Sharpton and Jackson will spring into action to whip up racist emotions.
The only thing that can save Zimmerman - regardless of the actual facts - is if somebody had recorded the actual altercation and it verifies Zimmerman's story. Anything short of that will be insufficient for the "mob." They will demand Zimmerman's head.
yesterday, FOX played the entire 911 call by GZ. From my point of view, GZ lost TM. GZ said "he ran". Then he told the police that he would meet them in front of his home by the mailbox. Then, they played another 911 call where a guy said he saw TM on top of GZ assaulting him and then shots went off. I can't say either way how this will go. I do remember before they annoucned Troy Davis dead, there was about 30 GA State Patrol cars arriving on the scene and a few riot trucks. They had better have at least that around that courthouse if it is found that GZ is innocent. I know one thing, I am staying in the house.